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A Christian without the Church is purely idealistic, Pope says
cna ^ | May 15, 2014 | Elise Harris

Posted on 05/15/2014 2:15:20 PM PDT by NYer

Pope Francis speaks to pilgrims during his Wednesday General Audience on April 23, 2014 Credit: Kyle Burkhart/CNA
Pope Francis speaks to pilgrims during his Wednesday General Audience on April 23, 2014 Credit: Kyle Burkhart/CNA

Vatican City, May 15, 2014 / 07:43 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pope Francis reflected in his daily Mass on how the apostles evangelized by first telling the history of God’s people, explaining that it’s impossible to understand a Christian without this association.
    
“You cannot understand a Christian outside of the people of God. The Christian is not a monad,” but “belongs to a people: the Church,” the Pope observed in his May 15 homily.

“A Christian without a church is something purely idealistic, it is not real.”

Beginning by looking to the first reading, taken from the Acts of the Apostles, the Roman Pontiff addressed those gathered in the Vatican’s Saint Martha guesthouse by recalling how when Paul preached in Antioch, he did so by first recounting the whole of Israel’s salvation history.

“Jesus does not make sense without this history” because he “is the end of this story, (the end) toward which this story goes, toward which it walks,” he noted, so “you cannot understand a Christian outside of the people of God.”

“You cannot understand a Christian alone, just like you cannot understand Jesus Christ alone” the Pope went on to say, explaining that “Jesus Christ did not fall from the sky like a superhero who comes to save us.”

“No. Jesus Christ has a history. And we can say, and it is true, that God has a history because He wanted to walk with us. And you cannot understand Jesus Christ without His history.”

Pope Francis then described how a Christian without a history, a nation or the Church “is incomprehensible,” saying that it’s “a thing of the laboratory, an artificial thing, a thing that cannot give life.”

Drawing attention to the importance of remembering this “dimension of history,” the Bishop of Rome observed that a Christian is “a living memory of his people’s journey, he is the living memory of his Church.”

“Then, where is this people going? Toward the ultimate promise. It is a people walking toward fullness; a chosen people which has a promise for the future and walks toward this promise, toward the fulfillment of this promise.”

In order to do this Christians within the Church must be men and women “with hope: hope in the promise,” the Pope went on, noting that “It is not expectation: no, no! That’s something else: It is hope.”

“Right, on we go! (Toward) that which does not disappoint.”

Explaining how a Christian is also someone who remembers, the pontiff encouraged all present to “seek the grace of memory, always” so that by doing so and also looking forward with hope they might be a Christian who “follows the path of God and renews the covenant with God.”

This type of Christian constantly tells the Lord “Yes, I want the commandments, I want your will, I will follow you” he continued, adding that “He is a man of the covenant, and we celebrate the covenant, every day” in the Mass, therefore a Christian is “a woman, a man of the Eucharist.”

Concluding his reflections, Pope Francis encouraged all present to “think about our Christian identity,” stating that “Our Christian identity is belonging to a people: the Church.”

“Without this, we are not Christians” he observed, noting how “we entered the Church through baptism: there we are Christians.”

“For this reason, we should be in the habit of asking for the grace of memory, the memory of the journey that the people of God has made,” the pontiff said, and “also of personal memory: What God did for me, in my life, how has he made me walk…”

Praying, the Roman Pontiff asked “for the grace of hope, which is not optimism: no, no! It's something else,” and asked “for the grace to renew the covenant with the Lord who has called us every day.”

“May the Lord give us these three graces, which are necessary for the Christian identity.”


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To: SaxxonWoods

“So now a man says his church must stand between a soul and God in order for that soul to reach salvation?”

Is that what he said? Can you show me where he said that?


21 posted on 05/15/2014 2:53:02 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Revel
You'd have to define "fake." Does it mean imperfect? Immature? Consciously fraudulent and deceptive? Sinful? Misled? Weak? Incomplete? Or what?

The better the definition of the question, the better someone could answer it.

22 posted on 05/15/2014 2:58:33 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer; betty boop; marron; Alamo-Girl; Jacquerie; CottShop; xzins; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; ..
When is a Christian a Christian?

BEEP!

23 posted on 05/15/2014 3:02:30 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: fwdude
A clairvoyant you are! Reading hearts and minds! Scanning dozens or hundreds of people whose names you could not even recite, yet knowing the interior disposition of every soul!

That, or maybe not.

24 posted on 05/15/2014 3:03:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: NYer

Interesting.


25 posted on 05/15/2014 3:09:50 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Gamecock
It's an interesting question. I guess it would take some careful definition. I think of such men as Moses and Elijah, clearly among the saved, yet they did not know a single Christian.

That is, until they encountered Christ --- and that, centuries after their deaths.

26 posted on 05/15/2014 3:24:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Bayard

“A person who does not go to church does not know Jesus.”

Thanks God. See ya.


27 posted on 05/15/2014 3:26:45 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Of course you can tell who is a believer or not. It is stupid to say you can’t. We are told to judge, to make distinctions. It’s a recipe for disaster when we claim we can’t. That is license for all manner of evil to be tolerated in a body.


28 posted on 05/15/2014 3:27:08 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Bayard

Yeah, that and the church needs your money.

I suppose little, old ladies who are homebound don’t know Jesus right...

I’ll take a pass thanks.


29 posted on 05/15/2014 3:36:58 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: YHAOS

When is a Christian a Christian?


The Popester seems to be ignorant of the fact.....
Christians ARE the church.. no christians no church..

Clergy are religious lawyers..


30 posted on 05/15/2014 3:40:38 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: YHAOS; metmom; betty boop; MrB; Agamemnon

Lost me on you can not understand Jesus Christ alone. Excuse me, but ALL things are possible through Christ in my world!


31 posted on 05/15/2014 3:50:09 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: NYer

The word I think the translators are looking for is “theoretical”, but the point he’s making is correct. We all need a relationship with God and with the community of believers. I need it. So do you. None of us are beautiful, unique snowflakes that way.


32 posted on 05/15/2014 3:55:07 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: Gamecock
Refutes the FRoman Catholic fable of people becoming Christians without coming into contact with an actual Christian.

IB4TPWMA

33 posted on 05/15/2014 3:59:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Revel
And a church full of fake Christians is what

Protestant

34 posted on 05/15/2014 4:10:38 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all else)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Jesus Christ paid the price of admission for me, I need no one to stand for me but him.

A church is wherever two or more gather in his name.


35 posted on 05/15/2014 4:18:25 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

bump


36 posted on 05/15/2014 4:19:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: hosepipe

bingo. Like I stated earlier, a church is when 2 or more Christians gather in Jesus’ name.


37 posted on 05/15/2014 4:20:19 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: tpanther

Philippians 4:13!


38 posted on 05/15/2014 4:22:48 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: terycarl

I’ll take my chances with God’s word and not follow a false church, thanks.


39 posted on 05/15/2014 4:23:37 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: chris37

My mom died in 2007 just a few months short of being 103. She had not been to a church in decades but she had a powerful Christian testimony. I never ever heard her say a bad thing about anyone. It seems her dad taught her that if you can not say something nice about anyone, just be quiet. Everyone she met loved her.


40 posted on 05/15/2014 4:40:05 PM PDT by MamaB
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