Posted on 05/15/2014 2:15:20 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
And a church full of fake Christians is what?
Am going to use this on a family member who is constantly giving me that “it’s just as good if I stay home and pray here, right?” line.
Leibniz lives!
“And a church full of fake Christians is what?”
A figment of your imagination.
“The Christian is not a monad...”
Is that like a gonad?
Uh, there are plenty of entire “churches” full of unbelievers. Better known as social clubs.
Yes, even Catholic churches. Including the priests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(philosophy)
I had to look it up.
“A figment of your imagination.”
Oh yea? Jesus wasn’t so sure.
“Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?””
Luke 18:8
I don’t exactly know what the breaking point is between a true and fake Christian. Some are obviously misled concerning the finer points and have unorthodox views. Still, I think just being part of the Body of Christ scores some points.
Sorry for the bad posting. That last parenthesis is needed as part of the link.
Refutes the FRoman Catholic fable of people becoming Christians without coming into contact with an actual Christian.
“Uh, there are plenty of entire “churches” full of unbelievers. Better known as social clubs.”
I don’t think you have any way of actually knowing that. What you’re probably doing is assuming that their faith is lacking because they don’t measure up to a standard you hold. That’s understandable, but is not proof.
“Yes, even Catholic churches.”
No. I have no doubt that there many woefully inadequate Christians in terms of the faith in many Catholic parishes. That doesn’t mean that the entire parish has not a single person of sincere faith. Also, you’re back to your original apparent presumption: I don’t think you have any way of actually knowing that.
“Including the priests.”
A priest is not an entire church. He’s merely one man.
“For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong.” -1 Corinthians 1:26-27
Christian congregations have people from all walks of life, most of them simple, all of them weak. That’s why they are there. Idealism has no place when crucifixion encompasses and embraces those who are poor in spirit. An idealist does not comprehend, not having ears to hear. Faith comes by hearing, and the speaking takes place within congregations where a faithful bishop studies and applies the biblical texts note merely for the sake of instruction, but to bring the merits of Christ to bear upon poor sinners so that they participate in the resurrection; in weakness for now, but not in weakness forever, for they shall see Him as He is.
“Oh yea? Jesus wasn’t so sure.”
Has Jesus come? If He hasn’t - and He hasn’t - then we’re talking about two different times so your prooftext doesn’t work. Thanks for trying.
Oraganized religion never gives up on its desire to control the faithful.
So now a man says his church must stand between a soul and God in order for that soul to reach salvation?
Jim Jones and many others would agree, but...
No, thank you.
Jim Jones was an atheist....but you knew that.
“Refutes the FRoman Catholic fable of people becoming Christians without coming into contact with an actual Christian.”
Can you post any examples of that?
Jesus didn’t come to save himself.
He chose twelve and had many disciples.
That means a community. That also means a Church.
A person who does not go to church does not know Jesus.
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