Posted on 03/05/2014 11:26:53 AM PST by OneVike
Lately I have been confronted by individuals I thought understood the Scriptures, only to learn that they think God did not say what he said, or that Christ changed the rules on sex when he walked with the apostles. Sadly, there are too many false teachers leading many poor souls straight to hell by claiming that Jesus never spoke against the union of two men or two women. Thus they claim that homosexuality is now either condoned by God, or since the day Moses spoke to God, Moses misunderstood Him about what he said about sexual perversion. So until recently, Jewish religious leaders and every Christian theologian since Peter, John, and Paul were all wrong. Thus we are to believe that those Christians who support homosexuality in the church today are more enlightened then all the others ever were.
I'll begin my defense of the truth by stating that except for the ceremonials ones (which Jesus repealed), all of the Mosaic laws are still in force.That is because there were three categories of laws given to Israel: civil, ceremonial, and moral. The civil laws were ONLY given to the Israelites. The ceremonial laws were filled and abolished in Christ. The moral laws, such as the Ten Commandments and other Mosaic moral laws are universal. They are part of Natural and Divine Law. Homosexuality is clearly contrary to moral and natural laws. All forms of homosexuality are condemned, past, present, and future.
What Jesus did was fulfill the laws handed down by God. Matthew 5:17 If you look at the teachings of Jesus, you will see that he reiterated all the OT laws. What He did do away with however, was the ceremonials laws that were needed to gain forgiveness and be pure before God, but now we look to Christ for our salvation instead of through the works that God required the Israelites to do. So I can say without hesitation that Jesus also did not repeal the prohibition against homosexuality.
There will be many who will now automatically accuse me of claiming that those who commit adultery and other such immoral crimes should be stoned as the law of Moses commanded. However, what they fail to understand is that even under the Mosaic law, the death penalty was not the only requirement for the penalty of breaking the laws of murder, adultery, and other such crimes.
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that’s the other thing. different people respond to different ways of sharing God. sometimes just seeing agenuine example of Christians gets them on the right path. Sometimes it’s at a critical life event. Sometimes it’s a discussion or series of, that plants something in them that gets them on the path to God.
many just want to know that God is real, that Christians live what they teach and say they believe, and that God thinks they are valuable and loves them and has plans for them.
I'm an old fuddy-duddy who absolutely refuses to buckle under to the sodomite thugs. Therefore, I stubbornly refuse to use the term "gay" to apply to the miserable deviants who engage in what God clearly stated as an abomination. It sickens me to see the smirks when "Deck the Halls" is sung during Christmas.
I remember the good old days when a gracious host would make sure ashtrays were on the coffee table and homosexuality was regarded as evil. Now, things are upside down. Smoking is among the ultimate evils and homosexuality is taken by far too many as acceptable. Not me. Never was...never will be.
I understood you perfectly having had the same gay experience with my dear wife of 48 years who passed a year ago.
America has become a nation of fools. America is soon to be the next Sodom and Gomorrah.
QUEER was the original street name for homos, at least in my day. For me it’s one of the most accurate. GAY misses what these people are....by miles!
As with you, I refuse to use the word gay to describe homosexuals...
"Now, things are upside down."
Yes, unfortunately they are.
LOL! yes, absolutely correct.
Jesus condemns homosexuality and sexual immorality in Revelation 22. The term “dogs” used there by Jesus is the Jewish term for homosexuals.
Understood, and agree. Our job isn’t to conform to the world, but to be its light.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
This really isn’t that hard. Do we love and fear God more than we love and fear men? Such “Christians” clearly love and fear men more. Aren’t such “Christians” essentially denying Christ before men?
Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
That “shall deny” is the Greek “arneomai” and is in the sense of “contradict or reject.”
It depends on the definition of “gay.” There’s a dictionary definition, an “in-your-face” definition, that they actually meant it: licentious. (See the Merriam-Webster dictionary.)
People ignorantly believe they meant “gay” as in “happily excited,” but THEY meant it as “licentious.” And “licentious” means “lacking legal or moral (sexual) restraints.” And THAT describes them to a tee.
Even if you’re an atheist who denies any relevance to any religious holding on homosexuality, there remains the fact that the primary purpose of every living organism on this planet is to reproduce.
Homosexual unions fail in this purpose.
Excellent point! It goes even further. You mentioned that “dogs” is a euphemism of derision for homosexuals in Hebrew (the word “keleb) in Rev 22:
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
But there’s actually a parallel passage in Rev. 21 that makes it more clear:
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
The “fearful” and the “unbelieving” are no-brainers. The remainder of them are identical except for “abominable” in Rev. 21:8 and “dogs” in Rev. 22:15. And we already know from Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 that homosexuality is called abominable. But this is obviously something “abominable” that’s also worthy of being called “dogs.” Homosexuality is the only thing that can be, and it’s condemned to the lake of fire unless repented of.
“I question whether such people that call God a liar can truly be Christian. Christ really didn’t stutter here:
“Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
That passage should terrify every apostate/heretic.”
That passage was also before the administration of Grace, where salvation still involved works and Jesus Christ had not yet died for our sins. What was being discussed in Matthew was false prophets.
A few books later in the Gospels came John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Titus 3:5 -
“he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit”
Salvation is not through our works, but through Christ. So even Christians promoting incorrect doctrine have mercy and grace. Nevertheless they’ll be reproved at the gathering.
Spiritual deliverance for Homosexuals or anyone struggling with any sin is available through Christ. No one will ever be completely free of sin but the less we do the better through that walk in the spirit.
And of course sin should never be condoned.
Acts 10:12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. 13 And a voice came to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14 But Peter said, “Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean.” 15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, “What God has cleansed you must not call common.” 16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
“why is homosexuality the only sin they defend”?
Because of the cultural marxist objective to destroy and/or weaken the traditional family with of one man one woman married as the procreative core of a nuclear family. This unit has been and is the basis of all culture, civilization, and nations. The Culural Marxists realize that this tradition is of the more significant obstacles to their replacing it with a state centered totalitarian regime that will largely supplant it for a collectivist vision. Strong families have far less need of state beauracrecies, oversight and control.
They and their allies in academia, journalism, popular culture, and religious institutions serve as witting or unwitting useful idiots to perpetuate an air of religious legitimacy for their corrosive schemes. Since linear reasoning and objective analytical skills have been so degraded in favor of mindless emotive empathy, all too many are patting themselves on the back for adopting the (politically) “CORRECT” conclusions.
Wow, interesting.
Forgive me if I double check it with my Hebrew Greek linear.
If your right, and I have nor reason to think otherwise, but that I always check things I hear that I was not privy to before, then that means I have a tool in my arsenal.
Thanks for the info, kaehurowing.
Dittos, thanks.
An excellent response as to why homosexuality is the only sin they defend.
It am going to use it with my debates on other sites.
It’s Revelation 22:15. Before political correctness hit, most Bibles used to drop a footnote to the verse and cross-reference it to Deuteronomy 23:18, which uses the terms dogs to refer to homosexual prostitutes and sodomites.
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