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5 Problems with Lutheran Ecclesiology
Answering Protestants ^ | 2 November 2013 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 11/02/2013 12:04:14 AM PDT by matthewrobertolson

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To: roamer_1

You will like this one:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqTFNfeDnE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyzqTFNfeDnE


81 posted on 11/03/2013 4:01:40 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: imardmd1

Not a problem. I figured that was the case.


82 posted on 11/03/2013 4:01:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: smvoice

More on this later, perhaps tomorrow; but briefly, you have presented an application, not an interpretation, which is not a satisfactory use of the prescription for correctly using Scripture. What you have done here is eisegesis, not exegesis, of the passages, and the result is a theory unsupported by Paul’s letter to the Corinthians.


83 posted on 11/03/2013 7:53:44 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: matthewrobertolson

Everyone who can say “amen” to the apostles creed would be a good starting point - and all the main protestant denominations do.


84 posted on 11/04/2013 1:18:56 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: count-your-change

Actually, I’m very proud that Christ is not “orthodox” in our modern meaning of the word. But of course, the meaning of the term in theological terms is quite different.


85 posted on 11/04/2013 1:20:55 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: firebasecody

I must disagree. I think an overemphasis on evangelism (telling people what you believe) instead of apologetics (telling them why you believe it) has been and still is a major reason for the decline of Christianity in the western world. It has resulted in the faith losing a lot of its intellectual credibility, and while that doesnt matter too much for individuals, in the long term it makes it increasingly difficult to “reach” the secular world.


86 posted on 11/04/2013 1:30:49 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
Everyone who can say “amen” to the apostles creed would be a good starting point - and all the main protestant denominations do.

Not all.

Baptists do not at all use it, because the "Apostles'" Creed (which it is not) has the word:
-- "Catholic" (for Romanists)(proper adjective describing the proper noun Church),
or :
--"catholic" (for Roman-derived Protestant Reformers)(describing the common noun "church")
which its original parent, the Roman Creed, did not.

Because Baptists believe in the autonomy of the local church, they implicitly and explicitly reject the word "catholic" in any statement of the Biblical pattern for a New Testament church. So do many other local non-Catholic, non-Protestant, non-denominational churches, for the same reason. However, most of them would probably accept the old Roman Creed as an acceptable statement of The Faith.

87 posted on 11/04/2013 3:17:48 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Vanders9

There is something in between the two. The power of attraction. If folks like what they see in you, they may want to investigate the source of your strength. Attending Divine Liturgy leaves no mystery as to what we believe. Actually we can credit Islam and Communism for the didactic nature of The Liturgy.


88 posted on 11/04/2013 5:01:26 AM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: firebasecody
True enough. Evangelism comes in many forms, and the personal witness of a good life lived in Christ (attraction as you call it) is possibly the most powerful of all.

But I still think apologetics is neglected.

89 posted on 11/04/2013 8:31:21 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: imardmd1
Well Im Baptist, and we use "Catholic" whenever we make statements of faith (not often admittedly) with the common understanding that it means "true".

But yes, I accept that the older form of the so-called apostles creed is probably a clearer example of my definition.

90 posted on 11/04/2013 8:35:59 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Iscool; redleghunter; stonehouse01; Vanders9; matthewrobertolson
Every Christian knows that the Kingdom of God is spiritual and that God indwells the believer...

Well, I think not, for very few Christ-professors are aware that the Kingdom of Heaven (which is visible and exists on the Earth) is differentiated from the Kingdom of The God (which is invisible to worldlings and is not of this world system). The Kingdom of Heaven is composed of both unregenerated believers (professors) and regenerated believers (possessers); whereas the citizenry of the Kingdom of The God is composed only of born-again, Spirit-indwelt, blood-saved believer-disciple-priests undergoing a spiritual maturation process, and who already know beyond the shadow of a doubt their eternal destination.

91 posted on 11/05/2013 4:38:43 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: garyb

Some very excellent, valid points here to be remembered. Thanks!


92 posted on 11/05/2013 4:43:33 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: stonehouse01

non catholics don’t like the Hail Mary, fine; but don’t label it as unscriptural.

I am Lutheran. When the Rosary is said the first thing recited is a prayer to God and Jesus. I really don’t remember how it goes


93 posted on 11/24/2013 9:36:39 PM PST by RightLady
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To: CynicalBear

Mary was assumed into Heaven the RCC has a holy day, the Day of the Assumption.


94 posted on 11/24/2013 9:43:56 PM PST by RightLady
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

How many times a week does a thread go off topic on Mary, transubstantiation and infant baptism?


95 posted on 11/24/2013 9:57:58 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

I can’t seem to remember a thread that didn’t go off topic on Mary, transubstantiation and infant baptism.


96 posted on 11/24/2013 10:22:39 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: RightLady
>>Mary was assumed into Heaven<<

Please show the scripture that teaches that.

97 posted on 11/25/2013 5:19:07 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

This is a Roman Catholic belief. not mine. but I will still look


98 posted on 11/25/2013 11:01:38 AM PST by RightLady
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To: RightLady

“...I don’t remember how it goes...”

Hail Mary Full of Grace the Lord is with you - Luke 1:28

Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (v. 42) Jesus.

Holy Mary (holy as in “you have found favor with God”,v 30) Mother of God (”mother of my Lord”, v. 43)

Pray for us sinners (in the same way as we Christians pray for each other) Now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

All scriptural. There are scripture verses that refer to the apostles praying for one another that I won’t look up right now but they aren’t difficult to find, and we modern Christians still pray for each other.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!


99 posted on 11/25/2013 12:34:58 PM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

U2May we be grateful for what will still have. We must pray for our Country. God Bless America!


100 posted on 11/25/2013 10:16:47 PM PST by RightLady
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