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I'm not a biblical scholar and it's been a long time since I was first taught to beware of false prophets and false prophecy, so I'll ask. Do these teachings apply and if so, would they apply specifically to people like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the so-called Book of Mormon?

I have my flame suit on.

1 posted on 12/24/2011 1:00:58 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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There are false prophets, false teachers, and false Christs misleading people.

They should be treated with the same seriousness we treat people who slip razor blades or drugs in candy at Halloween.


175 posted on 12/24/2011 5:49:56 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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Thank you for the post. I see you posted Mark 13:22. I believe it is useful to read Mark 13:22 and 23 together.

Mark 13:22 But false Christs and false prophets will arise and will make signs and wonders in order to be deceiving if possible, the chosen.

Mark 13:23 But you be looking; I have foretold you everything.

- Behold I have foretold you everything -

meaning there are no more prophesies after the prophesies of Jesus Christ. Therefore the so-called last prophet Mohammed, as well as Joseph Smith and anyone and everyone until now, are not true prophets. Indeed there will not be a true prophet to come until Jesus returns. He warned us there will be many false prophets. He did not foretell of any true phophets to come just false ones. He said that he had already foretold us everthing there was to foretell.

Well that’s how I look at it, but I’m no Biblical scholar.


183 posted on 12/24/2011 5:59:40 PM PST by clashfan (know your rights)
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Paul says in Galatians 1

Galatians 1:6-9 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Jesus said that He was the Father.

John 14:8-9 8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 10:29-33 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Preaching a different Jesus, one who is a separate entity from the Jesus of the NT is preaching another Christ. Jesus is not the half-brother of Satan by God's union with His spirit wives.

Emmanuel = God with us; God come in the flesh.

224 posted on 12/24/2011 7:43:50 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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Merry Christmas, Jim. Yes, it applies to Joseph Smith, Jr., Brigham Young, and all of the other ‘Presidents”/”Prophets” of the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.


225 posted on 12/24/2011 7:46:36 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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2 Corinthians 11:13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
227 posted on 12/24/2011 7:48:55 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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Peter 12:24:11 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in fairness’ clothing, but inwardly they are taking from the weak and giving to the gods.
229 posted on 12/24/2011 8:00:36 PM PST by PieroC (pieroc)
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Jim, I don’t think you will be flamed very much as most of the Mormons have been banned from this site. You will get nothing but pats on the back by the anti Mormon brigade, and they are legion.


232 posted on 12/24/2011 8:10:54 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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If they made it into this book which I read many years ago, and they do, they qualify in my book.

Since the first edition was published in 1965, Walter Martin's The Kingdom of the Cults has been the leading reference work on the major contemporary cult systems.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

239 posted on 12/24/2011 8:47:17 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Ping for later


241 posted on 12/24/2011 8:57:49 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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I stumbled on this today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_R9I-qQEbs


256 posted on 12/24/2011 10:13:04 PM PST by Tigen (I shall raise you one .)
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You are a good man, Jim. Thank you for your discernment and for this thread.

I love you and your site! Merry Christmas.


276 posted on 12/24/2011 11:04:21 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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How very little are people warned about false prophets. It is a good thing to remind people constantly about.

How many Christian would do well to remember that if a person says that they are speaking in The Name of The LORD and it does not come to pass just as they said it would, that person is a false prophet. So many run after people who claim to be prophets who over and over are wrong in what they prophesy. False prophesy is not a little matter but is hated by The LORD. Those that said that they were speaking in His Name and proved to be false were to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 18:22

“But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

278 posted on 12/24/2011 11:13:55 PM PST by Bellflower
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Do not interupt my spirit as I speak !


Do not interupt my spirit as I speak says The Lord for would you rush to judge me as others ?! Then be patient , wait upon me as I speak and learn to discern my voice not only my ways for my ways are gracious and loving for those “In” my will yet if you rush out of my court how will you know the error of your ways ( psalm 26:2-8 ) and the truth to be told ?!

For it is as you wait upon me in true humbleness and supplication that I reveal the “ NOW “ to you ~ my “current” word ~ for I AM moving ! and this is not a thing of the past (Isaiah 48:5-22) for as my word “ behold “ I do a new thing and I reveal yeah show as an active vision the reality of who I truly am and what my will is for you my body and bride .

So wait upon me in patient abide as one for truly it is in this unity of assemblance that I shall reveal my hand at work and where I am resting my eyes ( Zechariah 3:9 ) , for I am a God of revelation knowledge but first you must come to know me “truly” know me that I may mend the error of your ways for my ways are just and my messengers are sent in love to release understanding for those that receive my beloved vessels I call my own and as you reveal your true humbleness of heart and not a counterfeit then and only then shall I reveal my all to you .

So do not interupt my voice however I choose to speak or speak through for I AM God and there is no other yet my Prophets and Apostles carry my words .

Do not rebuke what you know is mine for my vineyard is forever and I shall prune all that deny those that come in my name .

My words are true and shall come to pass for I watch over my word that none should fall .


403 posted on 12/25/2011 2:25:19 PM PST by Jedediah
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Forget the flame suit.

ciao.


434 posted on 12/25/2011 10:26:48 PM PST by GreyMountainReagan ("Pray for America")
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm not a biblical scholar and it's been a long time since I was first taught to beware of false prophets and false prophecy, so I'll ask. Do these teachings apply and if so, would they apply specifically to people like Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and the so-called Book of Mormon?

I have my flame suit on.

It certainly fits with everything that I understand about the Faith, boss. I think that Christians have your back here.

462 posted on 12/26/2011 6:07:12 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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The devil's greatest trick was fooling people into believing he doesn't exist!


483 posted on 12/26/2011 6:32:32 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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“Joseph Smith, Brigham Young “

In that group you can add Islam’s Mad Mo and Ron Hubbard. They all started a religion with the idea of personal sexual gratification, greed, and other Earthly desires. False prophets? They were not prophets but con-men.

When the scriptures talk of false prophets I can’t seem to include these scam artists any more than I can a guy at a bar sweet talking a drunk woman to have sex with him.

As far as being dangerous, of course they are. They hurt or killed many people and still do so today.

When we look at Jews, Christians and other non-violent religions we see their focus on God and doing right to others. They don’t teach violence to others or about Earthly desires. They don’t teach pedophilia, rape, polygamy, murder, or violence to enforce obedience. They don’t have secrets or require cash to get ahead in their “church”. They don’t require members to recruit in order to gain favor with the “church”. They are inclusive, not exclusive. They accept all who accept their faith. Christians don’t even require a church or a leader. One can be a Christian simply through acceptance of Jesus as their savior. No church, money, sex, or givings of any kind required.


502 posted on 12/26/2011 7:14:36 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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Joseph Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7KYmGnj40

544 posted on 12/26/2011 12:15:01 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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Yes, though it is not a reason I am opposing Mitt Romney. He’s a human weathervane, trying to say the right thing at the right time.

Romney’s a man who changed his mind or his heart or his something on the abortion issue,and the same for the marriage issue. Without explanation. Those are fundamental, more fundamental than being wrong about how much carbon there is in the atmosphere.


555 posted on 12/26/2011 12:45:47 PM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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