Posted on 12/24/2011 1:00:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Kings 13:18 The old prophet answered, "I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the LORD: 'Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.'" (But he was lying to him.)
Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain.
Daniel 11:34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them.
Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.
Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.
John 10:12 The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
Acts 13:6 They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,
Acts 20:29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
Romans 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
2 Timothy 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Revelation 16:13 Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
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There are Mormons who are Christians
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No there are not
Theyre either Mormons or they are Christians...
They either Follow the LORD Jesus Christ or they “follow the prophet” Joey Smith...
Either the LORD Jesus Christ is their Judge and Saviour
or the pagan Joey Smith is their judge and saviour
But never both..
Mormonism is not Christianity..
The LORD Jesus Christ is God...
Joey Smith is a resident of Hell..
Right. And the difference between hanging out with some of them and hanging out on this thread is???
you need to take off the Ellen White glasses when reading Scripture.
the Church keeps the Apostolic Tradition as commanded by Paul, not the “tradition of men” condemned by Jesus.
Acts 17:2 does not say Paul kept the Sabbath.
After Pentecost, the NT does not record any Apostle keeping the Sabbath.
the “Lord’s Day” is the first day of the week, the day Jesus rose from the dead.
Jesus is our Sabbath, we rest in Him.
please “bombard” me with NT verses that tell us we need to keep the seventh day sabbath after Jesus went to the cross.
Any hack writer can pound out a copy of a gospel according to Jesus.
Case in point...
The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus
the Christ
The Greatest Book Ever Written
The Greatest Story Ever Told
Transcribed from The Book of God’s Remembrance (Akashic Records)
by Levi H. Dowling (1844-1911)
CHAPTER 55 (Jesus in Egypt)
Having passed the seventh brotherhood test, Jesus receives the seventh,
and highest degree, THE CHRIST. He leaves the temple a conqueror.
THE work of Jesus in the Chamber of the Dead was done, and in the temple purple room he stood before the hierophant,
2) And he was clothed in purple robes; and all the brothers stood. The hierophant arose and said,
3) This is a royal day for all the hosts of Israel. In honor of their chosen son we celebrate the great Passover Feast.
4) And then he said to Jesus,
Brother, man, most excellent of men, in all the temple tests you have won out.
5) Six times before the bar of right you have been judged; six times you have received the highest honors man can give; and now you stand prepared to take the last degree.
6) Upon your brow I place this diadem, and in the Great Lodge of the heavens and earth you are THE CHRIST.
7) This is your Passover rite. You are a neophyte no more; but now a master mind.
8) Now, man can do no more; but God himself will speak, and will confirm your title and degree.
9) Go on your way, for you must preach the gospel of good will to men and peace on earth; must open up the prison doors and set the captives free.
10) And while the hierophant yet spoke the temple bells rang out; a pure white dove descended from above and sat on Jesus’ head.
11) And then a voice that shook the very temple said, THIS IS THE CHRIST; and every living creature said, AMEN.
12) The great doors of the temple swung ajar; the Logos journeyed on his way a conqueror.
Just wait till he gets to India!
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Would you really trust your soul to this drivel? so why trust Joseph Smith the moneydigger.
Some may be church members who have accepted Christ as their Savior, and are following His lead.
then you do not believe in the Christ of the bible
1Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Cor 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Cor 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Cor 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Cor 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Cor 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Cor 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1Cor 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
1Cor 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which [was bestowed] upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
1Cor 15:11 Therefore whether [it were] I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
1Cor 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Cor 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Cor 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then [is] our preaching vain, and your faith [is] also vain.
1Cor 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Cor 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Cor 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith [is] vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Cor 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Cor 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Cor 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
1Cor 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Cor 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
IMHO that is like saying all “Christian” churches profess to follow Christ’s path. Ask that question to Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
Some churches spew hatred instead of the love that Christ has given us.
***They haven’t started to blow stuff up yet in the name of Smith.***
They were doing that kind of stuff in Missouri during the 1840s Mormon Wars.
What? You don’t speak English and understand words ?
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Gal 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Gal 1:3 Grace [be] to you and peace from God the Father, and [from] our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
Gal 1:5 To whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Oh settle down, Race. It’s Christmas for Christ’s sakes!
Some churches spew hatred
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This is about Mormonism...
All Mormons “spew hatred”
The Mormon doctrines from the start were hatred of the LORD Jesus Christ, Christians, and Christianity..
All mormons MUST “sustain” what the Mormon doctrines say..
then why are you picking fights ?
It’s Christmas
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So you insult all the Christian FReepers by taking the Name of our Lord in vain ???
says who? You. Your church tradition - which has no validity with me?
As far as Heaven let's peek at Is.66:22,23 and read about (gasp!) Sabbath keeping! Or Psalms 19-7-9 The Law is perfect - (except for that pesky 4th commandment?)What did Paul say? The Law is holy, just and good. Romans 7:12 Gee, I don't know
Last question, so get this one right. What did Jesus say to do IF YOU LOVE HIM? Read John 14:15 if you didn't already know the answer.
You speak for all Christian FReepers? Including me??? I bow my head and knee.
If you believe the Bible to be the Word of God, then yes, it applies to all men who falsely claim to be a prophet.
As another FReeper pointed out some time ago...
Christ said that upon His return, it would be for all the world to see, not secretly in the woods with a teenage boy.
I don’t for one minute believe that either of the two you mentioned or their successors were/are prophets. Besides both of the ones mentioned failed the basic tests of a prophet...they both gave wrong revelations.
The Bible says you don’t get do overs in that category...sorry.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Jim and thank you for all you do.
Yes, Fred he did. The Bible says he took 30 coins of silver to betray Christ and after he saw what was happening to Christ he tried to give it back. Then he went and hanged himself. Yup, I believe that he did.
Matthew 26:25:
Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
I think that is pretty clear. Don't you? If not, reread my prior post.
So questioning the legitimacy of 2 self proclaimed mormon “prophets” makes FR an “anti-mormon” website?
***And the difference between hanging out with some of them and hanging out on this thread is???***
Christians on this thread agree with one another across denominational lines.
Only those who consider themselves the “only true church” such as the Mormons, are like the Pharisee who said...” Thank God that I am not like other men..”
there you go again with the Ellen White glasses.
if you take them off, you will see Isaiah doesn’t say the 7th day Sabbath will be kept in heaven. from sabbath to sabbath is the way OT Jews tracked time.
the law is perfect and Jesus kept it perfectly because man can’t.
the commandements Christians keep is the command to love God and our neighbor as our self.
anyone who has read Church history, knows the Church received the teaching from the Apostles to keep the first day of the week because this is the day Jesus rose from the dead.
Ellen White was a false prophetess who led many straight to hell.
where are those post-Pentecost NT verses teaching us to keep the Sabbath?
There are false prophets, false teachers, and false Christs misleading people.
They should be treated with the same seriousness we treat people who slip razor blades or drugs in candy at Halloween.
And I simply don’t.
There was a plan.
My personal belief in Christ leaves no one out.
Hey. Peter denied Christ. But what is the status of Peter now?
Judas was a man with a terrible burden. With the Mercy he lives forever.
I thought you weren’t talking to me?
I hate to correct you, but “all Mormons” do not spew hatred.
My father was sick and not working when I was young. If it were not for Deseret Industries, we may not have had food.
As I said before, my father’s family has been raised in the Mormon Church. They have shown love in many different ways.
Please do not say ALL about any religion. Jesus is about the individual.
Oh yes. Those catholic colored glasses won't let you see the TRUTH. Maybe he meant the 1st Day Sabbath? Show me the verse for that one.
the Church received the teaching from the Apostles to keep the first day of the week because this is the day Jesus rose from the dead.
People were COMMANDED to keep the first day of the week holy instead of the Sabbath! Are you sure? My Bible don't have that commandment. When God gave Moses the Ten Commandments (wrote by Gods own finger!) in stone, do you think stone signified permanence or did God just make a mistake?
Nah. Paper doesn't survive fire.
Thank you for the post. I see you posted Mark 13:22. I believe it is useful to read Mark 13:22 and 23 together.
Mark 13:22 But false Christs and false prophets will arise and will make signs and wonders in order to be deceiving if possible, the chosen.
Mark 13:23 But you be looking; I have foretold you everything.
- Behold I have foretold you everything -
meaning there are no more prophesies after the prophesies of Jesus Christ. Therefore the so-called last prophet Mohammed, as well as Joseph Smith and anyone and everyone until now, are not true prophets. Indeed there will not be a true prophet to come until Jesus returns. He warned us there will be many false prophets. He did not foretell of any true phophets to come just false ones. He said that he had already foretold us everthing there was to foretell.
Well that’s how I look at it, but I’m no Biblical scholar.
Scripture had to be fulfilled
There is a wrongness there. The implication was Judas NEVER had a chance.
And that makes this complete bullsh!+
Then Satan entered Judas
When that "questioning the legitimacy" is in the form of a stand-alone thread begun by the site founder, owner, and setter-of-policy, it's a reasonable question to ask.
I was warning you - not talking to you.
Separated at birth uh... in the Pre-Mortal Kingdom...
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Polygamy is not only okay, it is to be encouraged and pursued.
Gen. 2:18, 21-24
The Lord God said, ‘It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him’...and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called ‘woman,’ for she was taken out of man.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
This could be why Romney sees nothing wrong with homosexuality and nothing unethical about the elite using the govenerment and legal power to force it on Christian people.
Oh. I see. ANOTHER one. I bow my head and knee.
Most WHAT?
Muslims???
Simple, Jim.
Merely READ it and then ask God to reveal to you the TRUTH of it all.
If you are sincere in your request; it will be made manifest to you.
--MormonDude(No; I CAN'T tell you why none of our doctrine is found in the BoM, but in OTHER writings we consider to be scripture, but don't tell you to read and pray about.)
Well; their GOD sure does!!!
(It's now cold weather, so the 'good' MORMONs - ones with a Temple Recommend; about 15% of them - can now eat MEAT.
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What?
No 'uplifting' MORMON scripture to defend the FALSE PROPHET slur against the noble, martyred Joseph Smith?
Most of you, Elsie. Most of YOU.
But not to worry.
I bow my head and knee.
It gets easier every time.
Let me help!
The
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 71
Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, December 1, 1831. HC 1: 238–239. The Prophet had continued to translate the Bible with Sidney Rigdon as his scribe until this revelation was received, at which time it was temporarily laid aside so as to enable them to fulfill the instruction given herein. The brethren were to go forth to preach in order to allay the unfriendly feelings that had developed against the Church as a result of the publication of some newspaper articles by Ezra Booth, who had apostatized.
1–4, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon are sent forth to proclaim the gospel; 5–11, Enemies of the saints shall be confounded.
1 Behold, thus saith the Lord unto you my servants Joseph Smith, Jun., and Sidney Rigdon, that the time has verily come that it is necessary and expedient in me that you should open your mouths in proclaiming my gospel, the things of the kingdom, expounding the mysteries thereof out of the scriptures, according to that portion of Spirit and power which shall be given unto you, even as I will.
2 Verily I say unto you, proclaim unto the world in the regions round about, and in the church also, for the space of a season, even until it shall be made known unto you.
3 Verily this is a mission for a season, which I give unto you.
4 Wherefore, labor ye in my vineyard. Call upon the inhabitants of the earth, and bear record, and prepare the way for the commandments and revelations which are to come.
5 Now, behold this is wisdom; whoso readeth, let him understand and receive also;
6 For unto him that receiveth it shall be given more abundantly, even power.
7 Wherefore, confound your enemies; call upon them to meet you both in public and in private; and inasmuch as ye are faithful their shame shall be made manifest.
8 Wherefore, let them bring forth their strong reasons against the Lord.
9 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you—there is no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper;
10 And if any man lift his voice against you he shall be confounded in mine own due time.
11 Wherefore, keep my commandments; they are true and faithful. Even so. Amen.
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They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
GMTA!!!
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JESUS: No...
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JESUS: Nope.
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
(courtesy ping to JR...)
So, let me see if I understand...
The FR founder decides he’s going to post a vanity on a religious topic, in the RF asking if anyone knows if he’s misunderstanding, asking for their opinions and understandings.
Yet, because he happens to mention 2 men, who, in the 19th century claimed to be prophets, he’s now advocating that FR is to be known as an “anti-mormon” site?
He’s not banning mormon FReepers unless they themselves crossed the lines of good decorum. But they and their companions refuse to see it that way.
To them, it’s a bias against mormons if they get banned for overtly and deliberately lying, calling FReepers Nazis, stalking, attempting to implicate FReepers in murder, etc.
Is this all it takes to be branded as an “anti-mormon”? The legitimate and Biblically based questioning of their “prophets”?
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