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Vanity: Beware of False Prophets, False Prophecy
Excerpts from http://bible.cc/matthew/7-15.htm ^

Posted on 12/24/2011 1:00:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Excerpts:

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Kings 13:18 The old prophet answered, "I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the LORD: 'Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.'" (But he was lying to him.)

Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.

Ezekiel 22:27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain.

Daniel 11:34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them.

Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Matthew 24:11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.

Luke 6:26 Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets.

John 10:12 The hired hand is not the shepherd who owns the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.

Acts 13:6 They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus,

Acts 20:29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

Romans 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

2 Timothy 3:5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.

1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Revelation 16:13 Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

New International Version ©1984 by Biblica


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To: FatherofFive
but that very book says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth

HIS Church Is His Body of believers, not a building or organization or a religion.

When they gather they ONLY teach HIS WORD as they get THE TRUTH from HIS Holy Spirit Inspired Word.
201 posted on 12/24/2011 6:31:46 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: T. P. Pole
I’m pretty sure you know we sing the same ones that you do.

Well...

Praise the Man and Hie Thee to KOLOB are a BIT different; I think...


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Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


202 posted on 12/24/2011 6:32:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SoConPubbie
In my opinion, Joseph Smith made up a religion to help him cover for his lecherous, lustful behavior so he could have multiple wives.


203 posted on 12/24/2011 6:34:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SZonian
To them, it’s a bias against mormons if they get banned for overtly and deliberately lying, calling FReepers Nazis, stalking, attempting to implicate FReepers in murder, etc.

I'm sure that somewhere, someone knows what in the heck you are talking about, but you lost me.

204 posted on 12/24/2011 6:35:45 PM PST by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: T. P. Pole
Which makes this a bit more challenging then just accepting everything/anything or rejecting everything.

Good statement!

Perhaps you can shed some light on WHY Mormons refuse to either ACCEPT or REPUDIATE the following statements made by MORMON leaders...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

205 posted on 12/24/2011 6:36:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster
...rabid apologists who are triple-jointed ...


206 posted on 12/24/2011 6:41:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dragonblustar
Yeah, looks like number 35 just found out about the others........

Things DO tend to become a bit, ahem, uncomfortable when that happens!!


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

207 posted on 12/24/2011 6:44:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

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208 posted on 12/24/2011 6:45:15 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: wizr
There are Mormons who are Christians and will see the Kingdom of Heaven.

I agree.

However, if they are LEARNING the truth about MORMONism and CONTINUE to stay enmeshed in it; then they are putting their souls in jeopardy...


 
They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices.
Even while these people were worshiping the Lord, they were serving their idols.
To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.
 
 2 Kings 17:40-41 


209 posted on 12/24/2011 6:46:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bigheadfred
Tearing at each other sucks. Stop it.

Tearing at FALSE doctrine is REQUIRED!


 
 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



210 posted on 12/24/2011 6:49:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: mkjessup

Merry Christmas.


211 posted on 12/24/2011 6:49:40 PM PST by presently no screen name (If it's not in God's Word, don't pass it off as truth! That's satan's job.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Joseph Smith was being held in a jail when a mob attacked and killed him.

'Held' in jail?

The record says he turned himself in.

While there, he was visited and a LOADED PISTOL was passed to him.




 
"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."
 
"Darn gnats!!"
 
 
"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."
 
"Flies are BAD today!!"
 
 
"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"
 
"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"
 
 
"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"
 
"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"
 
 
"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"
 
"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


212 posted on 12/24/2011 6:53:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
THE FATHER DID NOT WALK THIS EARTH AS THE MAN JESUS CHRIST.

MORMONism says otherwise.

They claim to worship ONE god; who just happens to have TWO physical bodies...


213 posted on 12/24/2011 6:56:16 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

record?


214 posted on 12/24/2011 6:57:53 PM PST by BlueMoose
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To: Washi; Jim Robinson

(Again, courtesy ping to JR...until he tells me to stop.)

I guess it depends on what end of the spectrum you’re coming from when attempting to paint someone as an “anti”.

For a mormon, anyone who vocally disagrees with their dogma, doctrine, etc. is an “anti”. A slur by my definition based on the construct of the term. Instead of anti-mormonism. It’s an attempt to make it a personal bias against any who are mormon, not the dogma.

Some mormons and their devout defenders claim bias when it was demonstrably something else.

I haven’t seen JR go hunting down mormons to ban them because he’s “anti-mormon”.

So, pray tell, how does his questioning of the 2 men qualify him as an “anti-mormon”?


215 posted on 12/24/2011 6:58:14 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Washi
So, is this now, officially, an anti-mormon website?

Almost: anti MORMONism.

As well as all OTHER false teachings that are not Christian.

MORMONs take offence at this, claiming we NEVER get down on the OTHER false religions.

Our response?

All the OTHER false religions do not claim to be CHRISTIANS!!!

216 posted on 12/24/2011 6:58:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
tell me, without “church tradition”, how would we KNOW which books are canonical and which are not? for example, without “church tradition” why do you accept the Book of Hebrews as Scripture,

Good questions!

I know it's considered bad communication by answering a question WITH a question; but would there even BE any Protestants todays if church PRACTICE had stayed on church tradition's path?

217 posted on 12/24/2011 7:01:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bigheadfred

Neither does stone...


218 posted on 12/24/2011 7:06:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bigheadfred
Most of you, Elsie. Most of YOU.

It must be my tone of voice; my snarkiness, my smug self assuredness; for no one seems to be able to refute the CONTENT of what I post.

219 posted on 12/24/2011 7:09:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Scoutmaster
Do I pass?

LOL! I have NO CLUE! It was a curious question on my part.

220 posted on 12/24/2011 7:11:02 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Keep the CHRIST in Christmas!!!)
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To: Washi
I'm sure that somewhere, someone knows what in the heck you are talking about, but you lost me.

We ANTI's (as we are lovingly called) have a LOOOONG history of battle here with MORMONs who do not like anyone to buck up against them.

Both sides are well aware of the references given.

221 posted on 12/24/2011 7:13:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: BlueMoose
record?

RECORD:

 Smith had voluntarily surrendered to the authorities at the county seat at Carthage to face the charges that he was accused of.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Joseph_Smith

222 posted on 12/24/2011 7:16:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Brad's Gramma
LOL! I have NO CLUE! It was a curious question on my part.

Actually, you now have the answers. I didn't Google, but I welcome you to read ALL sources and you'll find out that my rather tongue-in-cheek answers were correct. The circumstances of the death of Brigham Young are still considered something of a mystery. It's not 100% certain he was poisoned by a wife, but it's almost certain he died of arsenic poisoning due to arsenic administered over a long period of time. After his death, the LDS-owned Deseret News reported it was appendicitis to quell long rumors that he was poisoned. The story gets longer after it involves the grandson of another LDS prophet, and private writings of LDS physicians. He was poisoned. But it's not the kind of thing you want to tell your Church members about your prophet.

223 posted on 12/24/2011 7:24:54 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Jim Robinson
Paul says in Galatians 1

Galatians 1:6-9 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Jesus said that He was the Father.

John 14:8-9 8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 10:29-33 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Preaching a different Jesus, one who is a separate entity from the Jesus of the NT is preaching another Christ. Jesus is not the half-brother of Satan by God's union with His spirit wives.

Emmanuel = God with us; God come in the flesh.

224 posted on 12/24/2011 7:43:50 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Jim Robinson

Merry Christmas, Jim. Yes, it applies to Joseph Smith, Jr., Brigham Young, and all of the other ‘Presidents”/”Prophets” of the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.


225 posted on 12/24/2011 7:46:36 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Elsie

Ah, Elsie. What you post is spot on. I dinna ever disagree with that. What I disagree with is that ALL Mormons are the same. Just as any other religious group are ALL the same. And shouldn’t be lumped into one defining category. Just like so many things in life, people are forced by circumstance. And the face they show the world isn’t what is in their hearts.

Merry Christmas, Elsie. Merry Christmas.


226 posted on 12/24/2011 7:48:21 PM PST by bigheadfred (MERRY CHRISTMAS)
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To: Jim Robinson
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
227 posted on 12/24/2011 7:48:55 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Tzar
If you look a the Book of Job, you see that Satan isn’t quite the bad guy we think of today.

Say what?

He started out killing all of Job's servants. Then he killed Job's sons and daughters. That was just the first attack by this "not quite bad guy".

Job 2:7 So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head.

The torture went on for a long time. Job's skin turned black and he burned with fever. He wandered the countryside at night because of the pain.

Satan tormented this man simply because he was faithful to God. He did this in an attempt to get him to curse God. He tried to drive a man from God. This is the ultimate in hatred.

By the way, God made hell especially for this guy. Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels' (Matthew 25:41).

Jesus' brother?


228 posted on 12/24/2011 7:48:58 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Jim Robinson
Peter 12:24:11 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in fairness’ clothing, but inwardly they are taking from the weak and giving to the gods.
229 posted on 12/24/2011 8:00:36 PM PST by PieroC (pieroc)
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To: PieroC

False Mormon prophets placemarker


230 posted on 12/24/2011 8:04:39 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: Jedediah

“I do not understand how so many would believe what they believe that satan was Jesus brother ????!!!”

Who created satan?


231 posted on 12/24/2011 8:09:41 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I don’t think you will be flamed very much as most of the Mormons have been banned from this site. You will get nothing but pats on the back by the anti Mormon brigade, and they are legion.


232 posted on 12/24/2011 8:10:54 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: bigheadfred

That is one of the bravest posts I’ve ever read. Make up your own religion, then bet your eternal soul on it being right.


233 posted on 12/24/2011 8:15:14 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: gitmo

What are you talking about?


234 posted on 12/24/2011 8:19:57 PM PST by bigheadfred (MERRY CHRISTMAS)
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To: bigheadfred; Jim Robinson
To me, the promise of the Christ means there is no failure. No one is left behind, and a lot of the hellfire and brimstone stuff is something out of a medieval nightmare.

So Jesus was lying when He talked about hell and eternal torment and few there are that find eternal life?

Who knew?

I think that qualifies you as a false prophet.

Hmmm.... let me see. Do I believe Jesus or you?

235 posted on 12/24/2011 8:27:16 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Satan created Satan. God created Lucifer who chose to sin which transformed him from a beautiful angel to a fallen Satan.


236 posted on 12/24/2011 8:31:22 PM PST by BipolarBob (Of all the taglines in all the posts in all the world and she read mine.)
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To: metmom

You believe what you want. More importantly, believe what others tell you.

You ought to be smart enough to apply context.

Another one.

I bow my head and knee.


237 posted on 12/24/2011 8:38:08 PM PST by bigheadfred (MERRY CHRISTMAS)
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To: Jim Robinson
If they made it into this book which I read many years ago, and they do, they qualify in my book.

Since the first edition was published in 1965, Walter Martin's The Kingdom of the Cults has been the leading reference work on the major contemporary cult systems.

Merry Christmas to you and yours.

239 posted on 12/24/2011 8:47:17 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Jim Robinson

There were many false claims by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. One was that Zion would be built in America. Zion is and always will be Jerusalem, Israel. There are many more reasons to stay away from the BoM and other teachings by Smith and Co.


240 posted on 12/24/2011 8:52:55 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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Ping for later


241 posted on 12/24/2011 8:57:49 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

LOL. It is fitting isn’t it.


242 posted on 12/24/2011 9:06:46 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Elsie
Eliza was a devout Mormon. At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma). In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

If Joseph Smith was a special prophet of God, why didn't the angles come down and talk to Emma about Joey's new wife and her being pregnant?

I guess this is just another Mormon story that's swept under the rug.... Oh, bad joke.

243 posted on 12/24/2011 9:08:22 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Washi

There is a difference between being ‘anti-Mormon’ and being ‘anti-MormonISM’. The heresy of Mormonism is something that every Christian should fight. Had I had more info, it would have spared me years of being Mormon myself.


244 posted on 12/24/2011 9:21:18 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: reaganaut

I thank God for your deliverance reaganaut.


245 posted on 12/24/2011 9:24:48 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: reaganaut

Almost forgot - Merry Christmas!


246 posted on 12/24/2011 9:25:20 PM PST by Graybeard58 (No Obama, No Romney, No Paul, No Huntsman. We can do better than that!)
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To: Graybeard58

Merry Christmas to you as well, Gray!


247 posted on 12/24/2011 9:44:07 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: bigheadfred; presently no screen name

You don’t know a damned thing about LDS theology do you, Fred?


248 posted on 12/24/2011 9:52:08 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Jim Robinson; metmom; BipolarBob; presently no screen name; Elsie; All

Today I have spent my time with my family. My son and daughter. My wife. My grandchildren. A couple of fly-bys from aunts and uncles.

There was some news earlier that one of the kids’ friends was killed in a car accident early this morning. Skater boy. And with the variance between ages of sons, daughters, brothers and sisters he was the little one. The youngest of the group. 17.

I live in a small town. About 3,000 people. And God forbid most of them are Mormons.

The kids had a vigil at dusk down at the skate park. And now several are here distressed and in lament. I’m such a hateful and evil bastard they have the full confidence that when they are in my house they are home.

How can anyone forgive him for the smartass things he posted on my wife’s FB page?

In my little made up religion Brock is in the safe and loving arms of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Merry Christmas.

http://www.localnews8.com/kidk/30069474/detail.html


249 posted on 12/24/2011 9:55:25 PM PST by bigheadfred (MERRY CHRISTMAS)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Rarely have I seen so many words used to say so little. That was pure fluff tripe.


250 posted on 12/24/2011 9:56:21 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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