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What Are We To Make of the Anti-Catholics.
Self | Jan 8, 2011 | Natural Law

Posted on 01/08/2011 4:15:03 PM PST by Natural Law

What are we to make of the anti-Catholics?

What are we to make of the anti-Catholics? How can we explain the assault on the Church by those who profess in their words the same mission of the Church, the Salvation of mankind, but through their deeds deny it? Are the fabrications, falsehoods, and lies about the supporting beliefs of the Church, about the lives of its saints and clergy, about the verifiable facts of history justified because of doctrinal disagreements? Does any of this matter in the face of the greater assault on Christ and his flock? It defies rational thinking.

In the face of a Muslim onslaught that is bombing Christmas Masses, executing Christians for a nonexistent heresy and apostasy, and a jihad against Christians of all stripes on a massive scale we get shrill unwarranted criticism of how Catholics peaceably worship the One true God. Is smells and bells really a greater sin than sawing off heads in the name of the prophet?

In the face of a secular socialist assault that is killing babies at a pace that outpaces the crimes of Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined there are degrading insults and accusations over the difference between worship and veneration. Corrections and explanations are ignored and the apologists are pilloried. For what purpose?

In the face of the threat of Communist China that suppresses worship of all kinds and enforces forced abortions we get feeble ad naseum criticism of the Real Presence in spite of the acceptance by Catholics, both Eastern and Latin Rite, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Methodists. All the while the anti-Catholics continue the charade of Christian unity, minus those damned Catholics of course.

So in the face of the advance of worldwide evil some would have us believe that it is the Catholic Church should be destroyed when the destruction of the Church would serve to provide aid and comfort to that evil. Why? Qui Bono, for whom the benefit?

That the Church is and has always been a target of evil cannot be denied. Neither can it be denied that the Church has never been harmed or compromised by that evil. Satan can only work in this world through the actions of his willing accomplices. Those accomplices have long ago recognized that the greatest harm can be done from within the Church and history has produced numerous examples of sinners wearing the collars of priests. Regardless of the contentions of the anti-Catholics that does not negate the good that the Church has done not diminish the saints who have served God through her. Nor does it excuse those who blame one of the victims of the evil doers, the Church itself.

Perhaps those who irrationally assault the Church daily, those who spend inordinate hours researching the internet looking for dirt, those who accept any lie or indiscretion on nothing more than its bias against the Church are consciously or unconsciously in league with evil. Lex Parsimoniae, the principle which generally recommends accepting the answer that requires the fewest assumptions, when the potential answers are equal in all other respects. Is there a simpler answer?


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholicism; catholics; vanity
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To: Judith Anne

(Rolls eyes...)

161 posted on 01/10/2011 11:17:23 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My my....eye exercises for good vision, who knew?


162 posted on 01/10/2011 11:20:39 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: elcid1970

I thought you showed a remarkable sense of humor, and I enjoy your posts. Please take a moment to laugh with some of us, and feel welcome here, FRiend...;-D


163 posted on 01/10/2011 11:23:26 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
Why were you "run out of the Catholic Church"?

Because I interpreted Genesis 1-11 literally. Unlike with abortion, the Church made its dim view of that very clear.

164 posted on 01/10/2011 11:25:21 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: Natural Law
Why don't you do a little study about what "ab initio temporis" actually means before you make another feeble attempt at guessing what I believe or what the Church teaches.

Why don't you show a little consistency and reject the magician who has been "interfering" in the natural order with "miracles" for the past two thousand years?

Okay, I know . . . those miracles are "intellectual," and Genesis is for "trailer trash."

165 posted on 01/10/2011 11:28:48 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Unlike with abortion, the Church made its dim view of that very clear.

I see nothing Catholic about you.

166 posted on 01/10/2011 11:30:03 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
I see nothing Catholic about you.

Thank you for admitting that it is "un-Catholic" to interpret Genesis 1-11 literally. That is the lesson I learned.

Too bad the priests and the catechumenate program didn't tell me up front that I would have to believe in evolution. It would have saved me and them a lot of time and trouble.

167 posted on 01/10/2011 11:36:49 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: bkaycee

The thing that I find sad is how Protestants fail to see how Catholics believe in all these quotations you mention, which are still in line with Catholic dogma. Maybe it’s because I had a Protestant father and a Catholic mother, but as a Catholic, I don’t see how these quotes you mention exclude the Catholic faith.I guess perhaps Protestants believe you can’t be condemned for your sins as long as you believe Christ is Savior. Catholics also believe any sinner can be saved as long as he or she repents. But the final decision is up to God.


168 posted on 01/10/2011 11:37:47 AM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than four years now-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: RFEngineer

If you want something odd, search for the word, Sedevacantism. Read Revelations Chapter 17, Apostle Paul warns of a great city that will be called Babylon in the end times. You might be interested in discovering what city was known as Babylon in his time.


169 posted on 01/10/2011 11:41:25 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Judith Anne

An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that the “accident of evolution” had created. “What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!” he said to himself. As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind Him. As he turned to look, he saw a seven-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw the bear closing in on him. He tried to run even faster, so scared that tears were coming to his eyes. He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer.

His heart was pumping frantically as he tried to run even faster, but he tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up and saw the bear right on top of him raising his paw to kill him.

At that instant he cried out “Oh, my God!” Just then, time stopped. The bear froze; the forest was silent; the river even stopped moving. A bright light shone upon the man, and a voice came out of the sky saying, “You deny my existence all of these years; teach others I don’t exist; even credit my creation to a cosmic accident, and now you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?”

The atheist, ever so proud, looked into the light and said, “It would be rather hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years, but could you make the bear a Christian?”

“Very well,” said the voice. As the light went out, the river ran, the sounds of the forest continued, and the bear put his paw down. The bear then brought both paws together, bowed his head and said, “Lord, I thank you for this food, which I am about to receive…”


170 posted on 01/10/2011 11:58:46 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
>"Why don't you show a little consistency and reject the magician who has been "interfering" in the natural order with "miracles" for the past two thousand years?"

Why don't you stop playing your silly little word games and trying to catch the Church in some kind of "gotcha". Even if that were possible I doubt that you are clever or educated enough to pull it off.

I reject your premise that things must be either God created or natural because my omnipotent and ominous God created nature and all that is natural.

171 posted on 01/10/2011 12:01:11 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: elcid1970

THANK YOU.


172 posted on 01/10/2011 12:24:11 PM PST by kitkat ( Obama: Hype and Chains.)
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To: Cronos
Many religions disagree with the beliefs of the Jews much like they disagree with one another. That is to be expected on "open" Religion Forum threads.

Atheists, for instance, agree with "none of the above."

Anti-Semitism is not simply a theological disagreement.

173 posted on 01/10/2011 12:29:21 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Judith Anne; Mrs. Don-o; RFEngineer

yikes! That fish smelt badd! ;-P


174 posted on 01/10/2011 12:30:27 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Judith Anne

Are you sure you were not run out because you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God?


175 posted on 01/10/2011 12:31:24 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: malkee; bkaycee
malkee The thing that I find sad is how Protestants fail to see how Catholics believe in all these quotations you mention, which are still in line with Catholic dogma. Maybe it’s because I had a Protestant father and a Catholic mother, but as a Catholic, I don’t see how these quotes you mention exclude the Catholic faith

Bkaycee is one of the sincere ones, like the ones who sincerely believe the errors they've been told about the Church. bkaycee, this is what I meant by a big difference between what people hate about the Church teachings and what The Church actually teaches.

I personally believe you are sincerely seeking Christ, but as I pointed out to you on another thread, do read what The Church actually believes instead of what others say the Church believes. A beautiful place to start is here ---> it's like what I told you on another thread that The Church does NOT teach that Salvation is by Faith and Works, that is an incorrect statement.
salvation can only come from Jesus Chris

God's Grace saves us, we cannot save ourselves. THAT is Church teaching.
176 posted on 01/10/2011 12:39:05 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Religion Moderator; Zionist Conspirator
thank you, I know that religions disagree with each other and that anti-semitism is deep, vile racism (as I pointed out), however, I asked Now if someone used the terms "Jews" in the religious sense that ZC uses for "Catholics" and said some of the things ZC said here against Catholics, would it be anti-Semitic?

like if someone said what ZC said "The ____ despises the simple people of rural America while celebrating pompous intellectuals and third world illiterates" -- and replaced the __ with "Jew" would that be considered anti-Semitic?
177 posted on 01/10/2011 12:44:36 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

May I ask, exactly “how” were you run out of the Church?


178 posted on 01/10/2011 1:12:14 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Cronos; Zionist Conspirator
The ____ despises the simple people of rural America while celebrating pompous intellectuals and third world illiterates

If he had said that of Chinese, Cubans, Arabs, African-Americans, Jews, etc. - it would have been pulled as racism or anti-Semitism.

But not if said about a group of believers.

On "open" Religion Forum threads, the following statements (though tacky) are allowed: "Scientologists are crazy" "Mormons are irrational" "Protestants are going to hell" "Catholics despise simple people."

179 posted on 01/10/2011 1:13:09 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Zionist Conspirator
You've read me wrong ZC.

I should have been clearer,I didn't want to put a /s tag because I wasn't being sarcastic.

Me...fundies appear to be seen as..."

In other words this is how I perceive I and many others are being seen.

180 posted on 01/10/2011 2:03:53 PM PST by mitch5501 (fine!)
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