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To: malkee; bkaycee
malkee The thing that I find sad is how Protestants fail to see how Catholics believe in all these quotations you mention, which are still in line with Catholic dogma. Maybe it’s because I had a Protestant father and a Catholic mother, but as a Catholic, I don’t see how these quotes you mention exclude the Catholic faith

Bkaycee is one of the sincere ones, like the ones who sincerely believe the errors they've been told about the Church. bkaycee, this is what I meant by a big difference between what people hate about the Church teachings and what The Church actually teaches.

I personally believe you are sincerely seeking Christ, but as I pointed out to you on another thread, do read what The Church actually believes instead of what others say the Church believes. A beautiful place to start is here ---> it's like what I told you on another thread that The Church does NOT teach that Salvation is by Faith and Works, that is an incorrect statement.
salvation can only come from Jesus Chris

God's Grace saves us, we cannot save ourselves. THAT is Church teaching.
176 posted on 01/10/2011 12:39:05 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos
Bkaycee is one of the sincere ones, like the ones who sincerely believe the errors they've been told about the Church. bkaycee, this is what I meant by a big difference between what people hate about the Church teachings and what The Church actually teaches. I personally believe you are sincerely seeking Christ, but as I pointed out to you on another thread, do read what The Church actually believes instead of what others say the Church believes. A beautiful place to start is here ---> it's like what I told you on another thread that The Church does NOT teach that Salvation is by Faith and Works, that is an incorrect statement. salvation can only come from Jesus Christ
I am fairly certain I understand the Roman gospel of Faith and Grace.

I dont believe it is quite what we mean by Salvation by Grace alone, thru Faith alone, in Christ alone.

You agree that initial salvation is totaly by grace (baptismal regeneration). I agree that salvation is a free gift, however, not by baptism, but by Faith.

Catholics believe baptismal water saves for infants, then one must co-operate to maintain this "state of grace", correct?

How can this onging process of co-operation not be considered a work? Trent seems to indicate that it is a grace but also a merit.

183 posted on 01/10/2011 3:56:15 PM PST by bkaycee
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