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'Gay' gene: Fact or fantasy? Kyle Williams examines evidence to debunk junk science, media hype
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Saturday, August 3, 2002 | Kyle Williams

Posted on 08/03/2002 2:04:27 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

In this age, one of the most difficult issues facing our nation today is the issue of homosexuality. For the most part, homosexuals become extremely offended if one even suggests that their sexual orientation was a choice.

Perhaps the greatest defense for the acceptance of homosexuality is the so-called "gay" gene. While it may not be easy to "come out" of homosexuality, there is credible and substantial evidence disproving the "gay"-gene theory.

The first question is, does the issue of whether homosexuality is a choice, or not, really matter? The Human Rights Campaign, a homosexual-activist group, doesn't think so. "The vast majority of gay people will tell you that same-sex orientation is an innate part of who you are and is not changeable," a spokesman said. "But in the final analysis, it really shouldn't matter."

Whether the sincerity of that statement is valid or not, the simple fact is that whether homosexuality is a genetic trait or not does matter. If homosexuality is genetic and not a choice, then the lifestyle and act must be accepted by everyone, because it cannot be prevented. However, if it is a choice, then anyone has the right to label homosexuality unacceptable and immoral.

The scientific basis the homosexual community uses to prove the "gay"-gene theory are two different studies conducted in 1993 and 1995. The studies found a specific marker in the X chromosome that links to homosexuality in men.

In 1993, biologist Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute found that in 40 pairs of homosexual brothers, 33 of them had the same set of DNA sequences in a part of the chromosome called, "Xq28."

This has caused many homosexual leaders to proclaim this "evidence" and demand respect and acceptance of homosexuality because of this apparent genetic trait.

However, in late June of 1995, reports were confirmed that Dean Hamer was being investigated by the Office of Research Integrity at the Department of Health and Human Services. Reports found that Hamer may have selectively reported his research and data – which has led many to question the credibility of his research.

Furthermore, in the late '90s, a team of researchers at the University of Western Ontario in Canada found no trace or evidence of the "gay" gene in homosexual men. The study found that the region of the X chromosome known as "Xq28" has nothing to do with the sexual "orientation" of a person.

Neurologist George Rice studied the DNA of 52 pairs of homosexual brothers and found that their Xq28 sequences were no more similar than what might happen from sheer chance.

Despite the debunking of evidence to back the "gay"-gene theory, homosexual advocates continue to use the out-dated evidence to promote the existence of a homosexual genetic trait.

Much more evidence can be provided. Identical twins, for instance, share the same set of chromosomal patterns. Therefore, if one twin's DNA has a homosexual genetic trait, then it is inevitable that both twins will be homosexuals. However, that is not the case with all twins. When one twin is homosexual, the probability of the other identical twin being homosexual is 50 percent. Thus, the "gay"-gene theory is, once again, debunked by using logical, scientific research.

Still, there is even more evidence against homosexual genes. If homosexuality is, indeed – despite other evidence – a genetic trait, that gene would eventually be ousted from the gene pool because homosexuals tend not to reproduce. Instead, homosexuality has appeared in civilizations across time. In some parts of the world, homosexuality flourishes, but in other parts of the world, homosexuality is not present.

Additionally, if "gay"-gene theory were true, it would be next to impossible to change the lifestyle to heterosexuality. However, it is not impossible to change sexual orientations – Stephen Bennett is a great example, and so are the thousands of others who have come out of homosexuality.

With this incredible load of evidence mounting up against the "gay"-gene theory, it would be safe to say that homosexuality is actually not something one is born with, but a choice.

Instead of using hard evidence and facts, the homosexual community has stooped so low as to use media to force feed this unproven theory as fact in order to advance their agenda.




TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: genetics; homosexual; homosexualagenda; perverts; sasu
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Saturday, August 3, 2002

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1 posted on 08/03/2002 2:04:27 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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Born crooked... Born Again straight. HezSez.com
2 posted on 08/03/2002 3:15:01 AM PDT by highenergyzone
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To: JohnHuang2
"If homosexuality is genetic and not a choice, then the lifestyle and act must be accepted by everyone, because it cannot be prevented."

That statement is false. If the propensity to commit murder proves genetic, we would not accept murder. We would do something to cure the genetic defect.
3 posted on 08/03/2002 4:28:22 AM PDT by djpg
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To: JohnHuang2
When one twin is homosexual, the probability of the other identical twin being homosexual is 50 percent. Thus, the "gay"-gene theory is, once again, debunked by using logical, scientific research.

I remember reading somewhere that the incidence of homosexuality occurring in both identical twins was significantly higher than in fraternal twins or normal siblings. Does anyone know if this is this true, and if so, why does the author not mention it?

4 posted on 08/03/2002 5:09:00 AM PDT by Youngblood
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Does anyone know if this is this true, and if so, why does the author not mention it?

Because maybe it goes contrary to the author's agenda? No political journalist is immune from writing with an ideological slant. Ommision of facts is, in fact, the best method as the author can just claim 'ignorance' if it is brought to his/her attention later.

Journalists on both sides of the aisle use this method. That's why I am thankful for Internet access so I can do my own research.

5 posted on 08/03/2002 5:17:50 AM PDT by HennepinPrisoner
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To: Youngblood
If homosexuality were genetic, then if one of several brothers were homosexual all of his brothers would have to be too. But what about lesbians and bi-sexuals. The studies said nothing about them. But if homosexuality were genetic, then all homosexuals of whatever stripe would have to be genetically linked.

Another boggling question: If homosexuality were genetic, what would that say about nature and biology. Why would nature take a course (genetic mutation towards homosexuality) that would, in the end, doom the genetically and naturally flawed species. And how come this genetic affliction is only trying to destroy the human species? How come when I was a kid on the farm I never saw a bull that didn't like cows? A rooster that didn't like hens or a boar that wouldn't go gaga over a couple of sows?

6 posted on 08/03/2002 5:33:33 AM PDT by woofer
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However, if it is a choice, then anyone has the right to label homosexuality unacceptable

Religion is a choice. Can it be labeled unacceptable? Certainly history tells us that many religions have been labeled as unacceptable. The consequences of that type of labeling was not very pretty.

7 posted on 08/03/2002 5:37:09 AM PDT by sakic
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If homosexuality were genetic, then if one of several brothers were homosexual all of his brothers would have to be too.

What if we change your example to use the word heterosexual?

8 posted on 08/03/2002 5:39:13 AM PDT by sakic
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To: JohnHuang2
No one knows if such a gene exists or not. It will be interesting when we find out. And we will know in the not too distant future.
9 posted on 08/03/2002 5:40:43 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Youngblood
Even the 50% correlation the author admits is quite high. As for his argument that homosexuality cannot have a genetically predisposing basis, that too may rest on over simple reasoning. Imagine that instead of a gene for male homosexuality there were genes predisposing to greater or lesser sex drive in males. Active male homosexuals apparently have, on average, more sex partners and more sex period than do active male heterosexuals. The most prolific reproducer, on average, will be a male who has a lot of sex with a lot of fertile female partners. If a (genetically predisposed) stronger than average sex drive gets displaced onto other objects, it may backfire and leave fewer descendents, but the genetic basis may persist anyway, preserved by the cases where the sought after partner remains female and fertile. There may be a genetically conditioned revulsion to non-reproductive forms of sex, but it seems not to be so strong that, once overcome a few times, we can learn to enjoy the most varied things.
10 posted on 08/03/2002 5:42:18 AM PDT by Stirner
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To: Youngblood
I remember reading somewhere that the incidence of homosexuality occurring in both identical twins was significantly higher than in fraternal twins or normal siblings. Does anyone know if this is this true, and if so, why does the author not mention it?

I think it is a bit higher, but if it was purely genetic as the gay Nazi lobby teaches, would not identical twins both be either gay or straight. The fact that it is not even close to a 100% correlation proves there are other more significant influences than just genetics.

11 posted on 08/03/2002 5:44:27 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: sakic
Religion is a choice. Can it be labeled unacceptable? Certainly history tells us that many religions have been labeled as unacceptable. The consequences of that type of labeling was not very pretty.

I think the consequences of trying to put gay lables on young children is not very pretty, but that is the goal of gay activists.

12 posted on 08/03/2002 5:45:45 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Youngblood
For identical twins the concordance rate for lesbians is 48%; for nonidentical 16%.

For gay men it is 52% (identical) vs. 22% (nonidentical).

This study was done by Bailey & Pillard in 1991. I think these numbers have held up in subsequent studies. Of course, this doesn't prove the role of genetics but it certainly strengthens the case. The concordance rate for schizophrenia is about 60% and we certainly recognize a genetic role in that disease. If there is an environmental role it probably occurs in childhood. It is important to note, however, that just because something is caused by the environment doesn't mean it is easier to change (especially if it happens in early childhood).

People are probably born with a genetic predisposition and then environmental factors interact to "cause" a homosexual orientation. Research/theorizing at this time is focused on what these environmental factors may be. I'd be glad to share but I think I've probably gone on long enough!

13 posted on 08/03/2002 5:49:32 AM PDT by drjulie
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... it's too early for this. Where's the "CERTIFIED GLUE-SNIFFER ALERT?"

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14 posted on 08/03/2002 5:52:43 AM PDT by Lilly
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If scientists ever do happen to discover a way to determine the orientation of a fetus, you'll see the entire gay-rights-activist lobby transform overnight into pro-lifers.
15 posted on 08/03/2002 6:09:06 AM PDT by HennepinPrisoner
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To: sakic
What if we change your example to use the word heterosexual?

Then it would fit the pattern of nature and biology. We, humans, are a sexual species as opposed to asexual. That means it takes one from column A (female) and one from column B (male) to reproduce. In all of nature there is no column C (whatever)

16 posted on 08/03/2002 6:16:37 AM PDT by woofer
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To: JohnHuang2
In 1993, biologist Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute found that in 40 pairs of homosexual brothers, 33 of them had the same set of DNA sequences in a part of the chromosome called, "Xq28."
This has caused many homosexual leaders to proclaim this "evidence" and demand respect and acceptance of homosexuality because of this apparent genetic trait.

OK, but what about the other 7 pairs of brothers?? If they didn't have that same DNA sequence, then why are they gay? (Oh yeah, because they want to be...just like the first 33.)

17 posted on 08/03/2002 6:21:07 AM PDT by scan58
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Homosexuals want everyone to accept the theory of a gay gene, but they do not want that gene actually discovered and identified … they know many heterosexual parents would abort a “gay” fetus as defective. Many already abort for Downes Syndrome, Hemophelia, etc.

I personally believe Homosexuality is a choice … sometimes the choice is made subconsciously long before the young child has realized that a choice was made.

18 posted on 08/03/2002 6:21:08 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: drjulie
People are probably born with a genetic predisposition and then environmental factors interact to "cause" a homosexual orientation.

That is undobtably partially true. But you leave out the free will component. There are genetic, environmental factors, and free will all play a role. But what is being taught to children is that you are born that way. That is the message along with the labling of kids as gay and the acceptance of acting out on that lable at a young ages.

19 posted on 08/03/2002 6:26:51 AM PDT by Always Right
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If homosexuality were genetic, then if one of several brothers were homosexual all of his brothers would have to be too.

Never ceases to amaze me the propensity of people on FR to hold forth on subjects who have absolutely NO idea of what they are talking about.

There are all kinds of traits and diseases OBVIOUSLY known to be genetic that one or more siblings can have and others can't. Not everyone gets the same genes even when they're brothers and sisters.

I, a brother, and a sister have blue eyes, a trait known to be a recessive gene. Another brother and a sister, who look very much like the rest of us, do not have blue eyes.

The same is true of blonde hair, a large number of diseases, etc.

20 posted on 08/03/2002 6:34:50 AM PDT by John H K
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