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How many lines of demilitarization, denazification , make a sanitary zone
Dances with Bears ^ | 20 June 23 | John Helmet

Posted on 06/21/2023 7:53:34 PM PDT by delta7

Since the Ukrainian abrogation of the Istanbul non-aggression and neutrality agreement of March 2022, which President Vladimir Putin displayed to a delegation of African leaders last Saturday, one thing has been clear. The pact to end this war will be drafted and signed by Ukrainian soldiers who have been defeated in the field, not by civilian politicians who are paid and instructed by Washington.

The terms will be dictated by Russian soldiers. They will calculate the distances to be covered by long-range NATO artillery and missile launches on Russian territory, and of Ukrainian terrorist attacks into Russian regions. These are military facts the Russian General Staff have a long history of calculating, plotting them on maps and reinforcing the depth of defence and control lines – as long ago as the Soviet Army war against the US-backed Afghan mujahideen.

Since last November, when this website published first maps of a demilitarized zone for the Ukrainian territory, the depth of the Russian defence lines has been moving steadily westward. As each of the Ukrainian strategic reserves – units newly trained and armed by the US and NATO states – are committed to battle and fail, their retreat leaves all of the remaining Ukrainian territory open to a Russian advance.

What follows is the first detailed discussion in the open in Moscow of how the map of this territory should be drawn when the Ukrainian offensive reaches its end, and the Russian advance begins.

Left out of mention is who in Moscow will be drawing the new map. This is because Putin has annonced he is delegating to the General Staff. “Russia’s military leadership,” he said on June 9, “is realistic in its assessments of the situation and will proceed from these realities as it continues to plan up our actions in the short term.”

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov had already said the same a year ago. “Now the geography is different,” he concluded an interview in Moscow on July 20, 2022. “Take the HIMARS. [Ukrainian] Defence Minister Alexei Reznikov boasts that they have already received 300-kilometre ammunition. This means our geographic objectives will move even further from the current line. We cannot allow the part of Ukraine that Vladimir Zelensky, or whoever replaces him, will control to have weapons that pose a direct threat to our territory or to the republics that have declared their independence and want to determine their own future.”

“[Question:] How can this be arranged, technically? This is our territory. Then there are the republics that will accede to us. In fact they already have – the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. … Further west, there is the territory controlled by Vladimir Zelensky. They have a common border. So either there should be a 300 kilometre buffer zone or something between them, or we need to march all the way to Lvov inclusive.”

“[Lavrov:] There is a solution to this problem. The military know this.” “Comrade servicemen,” Lavrov added last week on a visit to the 201st Russian Military Base in Tajikistan, “they are getting ready, in earnest, to supply the F-16 jets. Some say they will make two squadrons available, others say eight. They are gearing up to continue the escalation of the war against us. There’s an ongoing debate about where these planes will take off from. Our armed forces and the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces are well aware of ongoing developments and report to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. We must keep in mind that one version of the F-16 can carry nuclear weapons. If they do not understand this, they are worthless military strategists and planners.”

The General Staff have no reason to speak publicly on this point. Privately, a source in a position to know says: “the General Staff are not satisfied with the Dnieper [line of defence]. It will run from a small town on the border with Belarus to Transnistria. They will solve that problem as well. But mainly, Belarus has to be protected from the south. And most importantly, that leaves nothing of the Ukraine except the territory which the Poles and Hungarians might not be bold enough to take.”

Vladimir Putin spoke twice this week about the creation of a “sanitary cordon” on the territory of Ukraine. This line should protect the territories of the Russian Federation from the attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine [AFU], which receive long-range missiles from the West. Russia has experience in creating such a zone in Afghanistan, but in the new realities we may be talking about a larger project. In which territories is such a cordon necessary, first of all?

Moscow will consider the possibility of creating a “sanitary cordon” on the territory of Ukraine if the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue attacks on Russian territories. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin during the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. “They should just understand where it all leads to. We are working on military targets with high–precision long-range and high-power weapons and are achieving success,” he added.

Putin raised this topic at a meeting with military officers at the beginning of the week. “The possibility of shelling our territory from the territory of Ukraine remains, of course. There are several ways to solve this: firstly, increasing the effectiveness of counter-battery warfare. But this does not mean that the incoming so-called will not be on our territory. And if this continues, then we will probably have to consider the issue, I say this very carefully, in order to create some kind of sanitary zone on the territory of Ukraine at such a distance from which it would be impossible to get our territory,” the president said.

The width and boundaries of this “sanitary zone” depend on the range of weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov added on Saturday. “The more advanced the tactical and technical characteristics of weapons in Ukraine, the greater this distance should be,” he stressed.

Outline map of UDZ – June 13, 2023. The head of the Duma Defense Committee, Andrei Kartapolov, also said that the “sanitary zone” would have to be free of weapons reaching the territory “that Russia considers its own.” According to the deputy, the General Staff should “form a concept and report to the president” on the creation of such a zone.

Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev mentioned back in March that the “sanitary strip” in Ukraine would not allow the Armed Forces of Ukraine to use weapons at medium and short distances of 70-100 km. But already this week [June 14], in his Telegram channel, Medvedev said that, taking into account the decision of the West to supply Kiev with long-range weapons, the line of the demilitarized “sanitary zone” should run “along the borders of Lvov (Polish Lemberg) in order to play a real defensive role. “Then they will be the new secure borders of what used to be called the ‘404 country,'” he wrote.

Source: https://t.me/ June 14, 2023. In the second paragraph, Medvedev said: “If we proceed from the proven complicity of Western countries in undermining the Nord Stream [pipelines], then not even moral restrictions are left for us to refrain from destroying the cable communication of our enemies laid on the ocean floor.”

“It is more accurate to use the term “buffer zone”. Having taken control of this zone, in the outcome we are unlikely to give it to Ukraine,” says Alexander Perendzhiev, Associate Professor of the Department of Political Analysis and Socio–Psychological Processes at the Plekhanov Russian University of Economics, and a member of the expert council of “Officers of Russia”. “If Ukraine continues to shoot, the process of advancing Russian troops to the west may be endless,” he added.

According to this expert, the “sanitary cordon” could now become the Dnieper River. “Remember the Great Stand on the Ugra in 1480. This event is considered the completion of the overthrow of the Mongol-Tatar yoke in Russia. Now we can also assume that the liberation of the southern underbelly in the form of Odessa, Nikolaev, and up to the border with Transnistria will take place,” Perendzhiev suggested. But there are other opinions, too.

“If such a zone is created, it will run from the Bug to the Vistula, but not along the Dnieper line, because many supporters of Russia, Russians, live in Kiev. This is traditionally our land, which was part of the Russian Empire, the USSR. Therefore, we have every right to talk about a security line on territories fundamentally different from the territories historically belonging to Russia. Russia’s geopolitical interests extend much further than the Dnieper line,” said Oleg Ivannikov, a military political scientist and lieutenant colonel (reserve) at the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

According to Ivannikov, today the number one task is the denazification of the Kiev regime. Therefore, when there are fundamental political changes in the Ukrainian statehood, “the very question of creating buffer zones would become irrelevant.” “We are not talking about the firing of tanks, mortars, large-calibre artillery at our territories. Western artillery systems have the ability to hit targets at a distance of up to 40 kilometres. The fact that such a zone should be near Donetsk and further from the DPR border is unequivocal. And also in the LPR, in the Kherson region and in Zaporozhye – where there is still fighting. Of course, we are talking about the Belgorod region and the Bryansk region, which borders with the Sumy and Chernigov regions,” said Vasily Dandykin, captain of the 1st rank, deputy editor–in-chief of the Warrior of Russia magazine.

He recalled that Russia already has experience in creating a buffer zone in Afghanistan. “When the 40th Combined Arms Army was there, which was part of a limited contingent of Soviet troops, the “sanitary zone” was provided by the border troops of the USSR. They had maneuverable groups that did not allow the mujahideen to enter the rear of our group on the territory for tens of kilometers,” the expert said.

According to Dandykin, the size of the “sanitary cordon” depends on what range of weapons the enemy will have. “If these are long-range cruise missiles, then a zone of 40 kilometres does not make sense. Now Ukraine has HIMARS MLRS [multiple launch rocket systems] with missiles with a flight range of up to 80 kilometres. The Americans can supply missiles with a range of up to 200 kilometres,” Dandykin said.……….


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
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Very good maps of what Ukraine will look like post war.
1 posted on 06/21/2023 7:53:34 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

This is going to anger the FReocon Ukie lovers.


2 posted on 06/21/2023 7:57:40 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: delta7

You’re one of the worst, peddling this ridiculous filth.


3 posted on 06/21/2023 8:05:31 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Lighten up, Francis.


4 posted on 06/21/2023 8:06:37 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: delta7

BleZZEd be the RuZZian Boys who die?


5 posted on 06/21/2023 8:13:22 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (RuZZia is the enemy of all mankind)
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To: delta7

Delta7 is like old reliable. He is wrong about everything month after month after month. He is the proud voice of NeoSoviet Moscow and thus a promoter of war crimes. He loves cheering for the eleven-time-zone bully against the one-time-zone country and thought it would be a cake walk. Now he is in fantasyland and crying in his beer because Ukraine outfights Russia.


6 posted on 06/21/2023 8:15:13 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: delta7

“Very good maps of what Ukraine will look like post war.”

It just AMAZES that Ukraine could have kept their entire country (other than Crimea, which never belonged to them), if they had only STOOD UP to the Neocons, who were hell-bent on war. Now they watch their country dissolve, right before their eyes.

No doubt Finland and Austria are VERY HAPPY having respected Soviet concerns, as they were left to be both free and prosperous during the Cold War. But then again, we didn’t have a bunch of Neocons (some with heavy Ukrainian connections, like being born there) running things.


7 posted on 06/21/2023 8:16:57 PM PDT by BobL
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To: delta7

Russia may like to have such a zone, but it would cost many Russian lives.

WWI cost Britain a huge percentage of its bright and valiant young men.


8 posted on 06/21/2023 8:24:23 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: delta7

Ah, the old “Ukrainian abrogation of the Istanbul non-aggression and neutrality agreement” trope again.


9 posted on 06/21/2023 8:26:51 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: BobL
Lock the door…
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10 posted on 06/21/2023 8:33:53 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Monterrosa-24

“Ukraine outfights Russia”

Ukrainian ‘tuition’ is costly in Russian lives, but Russia is learning.

In January 1942, the German Wehrmacht was near Moscow.

In January 1945, the Red Army was near Berlin.


11 posted on 06/21/2023 8:38:09 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Sandy Berger - $50,000 fine + 2 years probation + 100 hours community service + clearance suspended)
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To: CapandBall

Tell me about it. ANY COUNTRY that lets her in deserves what’s coming to it.


12 posted on 06/21/2023 8:38:20 PM PDT by BobL
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To: delta7
Very good maps of what Ukraine will look like post war.

Wow, it's like someone forgot that the Russians tried this (and more, a salient west of the Kiev from Belarus was also stopped cold) and got their asses handed to them. They scraped up what was left and recommitted it in the south, where they are currently getting pushed back after putting all their effort since last August into taking Bakmut.


13 posted on 06/21/2023 8:42:01 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: delta7
Since the Ukrainian abrogation of the Istanbul non-aggression and neutrality agreement of March 2022...

huh?

14 posted on 06/21/2023 8:47:21 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Monterrosa-24

America has become an official banana republic, and so many on here are still waving the Ukrainian flag for the Deep State. Mind boggling.


15 posted on 06/21/2023 8:55:32 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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To: CapandBall

She’s really got that “Faces of Dorian Gray” thing going on, don’t she?


16 posted on 06/21/2023 9:22:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: CapandBall

That woman is a classic example of a woman with no children. She wants to destroy the world that she hates. No progeny to consider.

Evil.


17 posted on 06/21/2023 9:24:06 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: DesertRhino

Well, there was Florence Nightingale, who did much good in this world and saved many lives, but then she felt called by God to do so.


18 posted on 06/21/2023 9:46:50 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: kiryandil; delta7
Lavrov added last week on a visit to the 201st Russian Military Base in Tajikistan...

“they [NATO] are getting ready, in earnest, to supply the F-16 jets. Some say they will make two squadrons available, others say eight. They are gearing up to continue the escalation of the war against us...”

Bwahahahahaha! Lavrov is a deranged psycho!

Lavrov and Putin are both war mongering assholes. The audacity of these jack-asses to make claim that Ukraine defending itself and NATO supporting Ukraine's defense is considered ESCALATING the war against Russia. Absolute hilarity! So because Ukraine is defending itself against an invading pompous ass Russian dictator... Ukraine is being unjust and is guilty of escalating the conflict? Oh, that's rich! I hope Putin, and his clown-show of commanders get what they deserve at the end of a rope. Putin and the Kremlin are a cabal of wrinkled old KGB has-beens longing for the old Soviet Union days of world power and the reconstitution of the breakaway republics back under Russian rule. They've definitely proven themselves incompetent and complete idiots. But still you Putin fan-boys see this as a video game where Putin is your Stalin; your game-board favorite and you couldn't care less that Putin is the aggressor who invades a neighboring country for personal conquest and ambition.

You Putin fanboys don't anger me at all... you only sicken me with your game-boy mentality, immaturity and your perverted lust for killing and destruction. You're a bunch of ignorant arm-chair quarterbacks that take pleasure in watching a deranged megalomaniac destroy cities, farms, businesses, families and lives. And somehow believe Putin has a right to do this and steal another country's territory in conquest.

You driveling degenerates don't care because its all virtual in your eyes. You don't get hurt or feel the destruction. Instead you pleasure yourselves in front-row seats watching a country get invaded, civilians butchered and cities destroyed. None of you idiots have been to Ukraine, have family there or walked the streets of Odessa, Crimea, Kiev, Lviv or Mykolaiv. I certainly have... several times in the past 8 years. I see no Nazi's, no dictatorship, or streets lined with drug addicts like Putin claims there are. Instead, Putin accurately described California, not Ukraine! California and the entire west coast is a hell hole with ANTIFA, drug addicts, illegal aliens, gangs, and homeless lining the streets.

Before Putin invaded Ukraine, Ukraine's south-eastern cities were clean, modern, classical and beautiful in architecture and culture. It's Black-Sea beaches and parks were picturesque and bustling with Ukraine people swimming, walking and vacationing. Ukraine threatened no one.

But that don't matter to you Putin fan-boy game-boys because it's a "virtual" Ukraine that you see... and Putin is your game board bad-boy that you cheer on to destroy Ukraine just because it's Ukraine. No humanity, no honor, no morality. Just destroy Ukraine and kill as many Ukrainians as you can because it's just a game.

Keep cheering for your boy Putin and the destruction he's brought upon a beautiful country just because he wants Ukraine back in the fold of Russian control. And he will kill all Ukrainians and sacrifice all of Russian men to conquer a neighbor for greed, territorial gain and personal grandeur.

Grow up little boys.
19 posted on 06/21/2023 9:59:28 PM PDT by Bellagio
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To: Dogbert41

Too many clueless BoomerCons who haven’t had a software update since the 1980’s.

If you told Reagan and Thatcher in 1983 that 40 years on, the President of Russia would be upholding the Christian Civilization of
Russia, and the Satanic Globohomo West, led by the USA and UK, would be demanding that the entire world homosexualize itself by force of arms, I would guess they would be shocked.

But here we are.


20 posted on 06/21/2023 11:29:43 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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