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Don’t call us traitors: descendants of Cortés’s allies defend role in toppling Aztec empire
https://www.theguardian.com ^ | Fri 13 Aug 2021

Posted on 08/31/2021 10:09:02 PM PDT by 11th_VA

On the 500th anniversary of the Spanish conquest, people from Mexico’s smallest state Tlaxcala say their ancestors were liberators

When people from the Mexican state of Tlaxcala travel to other parts of the country, they are sometimes insulted as traitors by their compatriots. Tlaxcala is Mexico’s smallest state in size, but it played an outsized role in Mexico’s early history, not least when indigenous Tlaxcalans allied with Hernán Cortés’ tiny band of invaders to bring down the Aztec empire.

Now, as Mexico marks the 500th anniversary of the fall of the Aztec capital Tenochtitlán on Friday, the role of the Tlaxcalans in the conquest is being reconsidered. Many historians argue that without the participation of the Tlaxcalans and other indigenous soldiers, Tenochtitlán might never have fallen to the Spanish.

They are also revising the accusation of treachery, arguing that Tlaxcalans and other city states were in fact fighting a war of liberation against the oppressive Mexica (as the Aztecs were known). “It wasn’t 600 to 800 Spaniards who conquered [Tenochtitlán]. It was thousands and thousands of Tlaxcalans, Huejotzingas or other peoples, who were under the Mexica yoke and wanted to liberate themselves,” archaeologist Eduardo Matos Moctezuma told Radio Formula.

“Cortés had 30,000 to 40,000 Mesoamericans fighting with him,” said Aurelio López Corral, an archaeologist in Tlaxcala. “He couldn’t have done it on his own.” The conquest is a singular event in Mexican history, seen both as a moment of national trauma and the founding act of the nation – and it remains deeply controversial...

Cortés himself is still a deeply polarizing figure in Mexican history, a rapacious villain who is also the nation’s founding father: his indigenous translator (wife) known as La Malinche gave birth to the first Mexican…

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aoc; aztecs; chat; chatforum; cortes; cortez; godsgravesglyphs; mexico; tlaxcala
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I would have posted this a few weeks ago, but Afghanistan got in the way - good historical read.
1 posted on 08/31/2021 10:09:02 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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Alexandia Occasio-Cortés

Don’t let her forget her family history of terror and repression against the indigenous people of Mexico!!!!

Lol!


2 posted on 08/31/2021 10:12:51 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The First Amendment Doesn't Care About Your Feelings)
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To: 11th_VA

Bookmark


3 posted on 08/31/2021 10:20:50 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: MercyFlush

Some folks need killin’!


4 posted on 08/31/2021 10:48:19 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: MercyFlush

Lol indeed. She is Puerto Rican, not Mexican, and the name Cortes is quite common everywhere in the hispanosphere. Lots of Corteses around. Also plenty of Castros.


5 posted on 08/31/2021 10:50:18 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: 11th_VA

The Aztecs were heavily into brutal human sacrifice. He was a hero, and the locals could never have thrown off Aztec tyranny without having him, or they would have.


6 posted on 08/31/2021 10:51:38 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Apocalypto


7 posted on 09/01/2021 3:32:34 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: 11th_VA

Cortez was a hero and the Spanish were like allies rolling into Nazi death camps. And despite revisionism, without the Spanish soldiers, those other Indians had no chance to defeat them.


8 posted on 09/01/2021 3:36:35 AM PDT by DesertRhino (A coup government may not claim the protection of the same constitution it overthrew. )
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To: 11th_VA

The butchering Aztecs needed killing.


9 posted on 09/01/2021 6:43:30 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: 11th_VA

The 500th anniversary of the Spanish conquest and the stopping of the worst human sacrificial system in the world.

Never forget. The Aztecs, Mayans and others practiced human sacrifice to the extreme.

After which the human sacrifices were cooked and eaten, so add Cannibalism to the list.

Today, revisionists are trying to rewrite history making the Aztec religion look “acceptable”.


10 posted on 09/01/2021 7:34:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (30 days! FB jail for mentioning a Monty Python script about tranneys, and the 1936 Olympics.)
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To: 11th_VA

That is a sore subject with some of my guys.

I have been encouraging them to buy books about the subject, something a few are doing with gusto.


11 posted on 09/01/2021 11:15:24 AM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: 11th_VA

ABout time they started standing up for themself and taking credit for freeing themselves from the Aztec murderers.


12 posted on 09/01/2021 11:24:03 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (Conan the Sailing Librarian)
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To: 11th_VA

As to the Aztecs, when you are in a death-grapple with Inquisition-era Spain, and an objective observer could credibly consider the Spanish to be the “good guys” - there is something seriously wrong with your civilization.


13 posted on 09/01/2021 12:15:40 PM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
This topic was posted 9/1/2021, thanks 11th_VA. BTW, I forgot to ping the Digest list to the weekly Digest topic [blush] linked below.

14 posted on 06/04/2022 9:32:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DesertRhino

Let me guess, the Marxists consider the Aztec empire to have been wonderful, and the Indians who sought Spanish help to get out from under Aztec oppression are “traitors” because, Europe bad.


15 posted on 06/04/2022 9:41:16 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: ronnie raygun

Great, sussicnt movie. Bare bones, no holds barred. Just as good as The Passion.


16 posted on 06/04/2022 12:07:18 PM PDT by waterhill (Resist)
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To: ronnie raygun

Showed how bloodthirsty/twisted they were.

I knew a Cortez in high school. He never claimed it.

I’m glad they stopped it.

Dirtbags surround us.....


17 posted on 06/04/2022 12:14:41 PM PDT by waterhill (Resist)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Let’s say it again:

The 500th anniversary of the Spanish conquest and the stopping of the worst human sacrificial system in the world.

Never forget. The Aztecs, Mayans and others practiced human sacrifice to the extreme.

After which the human sacrifices were cooked and eaten, so add Cannibalism to the list.

Today, revisionists are trying to rewrite history making the Aztec religion look “acceptable”.


18 posted on 06/04/2022 12:23:02 PM PDT by waterhill (Resist)
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To: 11th_VA

Given the Aztecs sacrificed and ATE them, I don’t see the problem.


19 posted on 06/04/2022 12:25:06 PM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: 11th_VA

A Montezuma descendant exist and is a member of the Spanish nobility.

https://www.primidi.com/moctezuma_ii/descendants_in_mexico_and_the_spanish_nobility

https://de.zxc.wiki/wiki/Moctezuma_(Adelsgeschlecht)


20 posted on 06/04/2022 12:29:37 PM PDT by Reily
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