Posted on 07/22/2020 3:14:43 AM PDT by Kaslin
I bring this to their attention constantly Bro Joe. I point out to these Johnny Reb wanna be’s that they ostensibly call themselves conservatives and yet they come to a conservative website all the while venerating Southern Secessionist Democrats.
True....but a lot of them are PC Revisionist Leftists who are only posing as conservatives.
Inerrancy and arrogance.
I had completely forgotten those two requirements for priesthood in your Mother Church.
I don't mind admitting I'm wrong when I make a mistake. That places me in rare company among the Union contingent and would make me unique if I were a Lost Causer.
LOL! Oh really?
I personally like Doodledawg’s method of jinking 180: “I stand corrected.”
I don't mind admitting I'm wrong when I make a mistake. That's not that common among the Union contingent and would make me unique if I were a Lost Causer.
And when you hit that ejection handle make sure you give up all the rights, liberties, freedoms,, privileges and military protection you currently enjoy under The Stars And Stripes since apparently you seem to be constantly chaffing under them.
Hey Loser! Getting slapped around by Bro Joe K again! Boy, you really are too stupid to be an idiot.
While we are summoning quotes at random:
“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” - Abraham Lincoln, circa 1858
Juxtapose this:
“But, upon the other hand, if it is not proven to your satisfaction that he is guilty, then the law and justice both concur in the demand for his acquittal. It is true that the prisoner is of the African race and a slave, but, so far as this trial is concerned, he has the same rights as a white man. All the rules of law which would apply to a white man, if put upon his trial for the crime of rape, must apply in this case. The laws of this State affix the death penalty to the crime of rape, whether it be committed by a freeman or a slave, and the evidence which has been placed before you has been brought to the test of the same legal principles and submitted to you under the same rules of evidence as would be invoked and applied if a white man were upon his trial.” - Charles Dupont, Chief Justice Florida Supreme Court writing for the Court in 1860 to order a new trial in “Cato”
Right, you're a Southern Democrat who finds Trump's traditional Republican positions attractive.
But you can't be a Republican because you won't give up your Democrat Lost Cause lies to join Trump's party of Lincoln.
And there's no way the Republican party will ever buy your Lost Cause lies.
FLT-bird: "I was beyond fed up with the corrupt Republican Party Establishment.
The party needed a hostile takeover and that's what it got. "
Right, beginning around 1932 many Republicans became what others have called "me-too Republicans", but I think are more accurately termed: brown-nose Republicans, people who think their function in life is to kiss Democrats' rear ends, as sincerely & enthusiastically as possible.
Ronald Reagan was our first major rebel against the brown-nosers, but they were so powerful politically, even Reagan had to take one on as his VP -- the "kinder & gentler conservative", followed by his "compassionate conservative" son.
Now Donald Trump has shifted Republicans' "Overton window" considerably, so while VP Pence is as kind, gentle & compassionate as any Christian, I don't think he's just another Bush.
Anyway, the point is Trump is a traditional Republican, he's what a Lincoln Republican is supposed to be, at least imho.
As for what New England stands for -- New England is ruled by Northern Democrats, the same people who before 1860 were allied with Southern Democrats to rule over Washington, DC.
Nothing there has changed except that in 1860 Southern Democrats were the party of slaveholders while today they are the party of slave-descendants.
I'm an Independent and have been all my life. The lies are those of the PC Revisionists. I will consider joining the Republican party IF they will take the populist/nationalist positions to heart. Of course that means that the Establishment must not regain control as soon as Trump is gone. Wait and see.And there's no way the Republican party will ever buy your Lost Cause lies.
The lies are those of the Leftist PC Revisionists.Right, beginning around 1932 many Republicans became what others have called "me-too Republicans", but I think are more accurately termed: brown-nose Republicans, people who think their function in life is to kiss Democrats' rear ends, as sincerely & enthusiastically as possible.
The Washington Generals of political parties. ie existing to lose. Their only goal being to go in the same direction as the global socialist Democrat party but merely to do so at a slightly slower pace. A party that existed to say all the right things every 4 years but then to turn right around to all their Leftist buddies at the country clubs and tell them not to worry....they had no intention of actually doing any of the things they promised....that that was just "for the rubes".Ronald Reagan was our first major rebel against the brown-nosers, but they were so powerful politically, even Reagan had to take one on as his VP -- the "kinder & gentler conservative", followed by his "compassionate conservative" son. Now Donald Trump has shifted Republicans' "Overton window" considerably, so while VP Pence is as kind, gentle & compassionate as any Christian, I don't think he's just another Bush.
Reagan was a great president. Unfortunately, the Establishment regained control after he was gone. We need to make sure the same thing does not happen after Trump. No Lindsey Grahams. No Marco Rubios.Anyway, the point is Trump is a traditional Republican, he's what a Lincoln Republican is supposed to be, at least imho.
I dunno about "traditional" Republican. He's more like a bomb throwing outsider. That's exactly what was needed. The Democrats weren't always so insane. Truman got some things wrong but all in all was pretty solid. JFK was a member of the NRA, believed in cutting taxes and spent 7% of GDP on Defense. There is no place for either in today's Democrat party but we can hope sanity returns to that party one day. Right now there is none.As for what New England stands for -- New England is ruled by Northern Democrats, the same people who before 1860 were allied with Southern Democrats to rule over Washington, DC.
New Englanders are what they have always been. Rude, arrogant, humorless, judgmental, big government, busybodies who have nothing but contempt for everybody else...at least everybody else in America. They are DYING to be Western Europeans and desperately try to ape them every chance they get hoping for a pat on the head. They hate American exceptionalism in all things - political and cultural. To them Europe good, America bad - always and in all things.Nothing there has changed except that in 1860 Southern Democrats were the party of slaveholders while today they are the party of slave-descendants.
New Englanders haven't changed. The majority party in New England and the South has reversed but the dominant political culture in both regions has not changed.
Or this:
"We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Law in nature tells us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude. Freedom only injures the slave. The innate stamp of inferiority is beyond the reach of change. You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables him to be." -- Jefferson Davis, March 1861
Or this:
"...its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." -- Alexander Stephens, March 1861
or this:
" Considering the relation of master and slave, controlled by humane laws and influenced by Christianity and an enlightened public sentiment, as the best that can exist between the white and black races while intermingled as at present in this country, I would deprecate any sudden disturbance of that relation unless it be necessary to avert a greater calamity to both." -- Robert Lee, January 1865
Oh boy. So I made a typo. Jeez, like no one has ever done that! Proud of yourself now?. Fact remains Bro Joe K kicks the crap out of all you Lost Causers. It’s a pleasure to watch.
FLT-bird: "The parties have both changed dramatically - as has America - as has the world in 150 years.
150 years ago Southern Democrats were the party of small government, balanced budgets and decentralized power."
Are you kidding?
150 years ago Southern Democrats were the party of anti-American traitors at war against the United States Constitution, the party of Black Codes, Jim Crow, KKK, segregation and all that nonsense.
But let's be fair to the Democrats, let's go back to their Day One in power in Washington, DC., in 1801 when Thomas Jefferson inherited the Federalist government spending around $9 million per year & national debt of $83 million.
Over the following 60 years (1801 to 1861) there were 13 4-year Democrat administrations in which Federal spending increased an average of 25% per administration, such that by the end of the Buchanan Democrat administration in 1861, Federal spending had risen from $10 million under Jefferson to $80 million under Buchanan.
There were also two Whig administrations, in which Federal spending fell, on average 16%.
Over those 60 Democrat years, the national debt rose (mainly due to wars) and fell (especially under Jackson) such that the $82 million debt Jefferson inherited ended at $90 million under Buchanan.
National debt rose by $10 million under the first Whig administration, fell $3 million under the second.
So all claims that Democrats were somehow more frugal, small government or balanced budget are pure nonsense.
It was only actually true in their own political propaganda.
What Democrats undeniably were is more warlike:
Are you kidding? 150 years ago Southern Democrats were the party of limited government, balanced budgets and state's rights. Black Codes were what was on the books in the Northern states. Jim Crow was implemented later and was modeled on the Black Codes. The traitors to the constitution were Lincoln and the Northern Republicans. States are sovereign. The union is based on consent.But let's be fair to the Democrats, let's go back to their Day One in power in Washington, DC., in 1801 when Thomas Jefferson inherited the Federalist government spending around $9 million per year & national debt of $83 million. Over the following 60 years (1801 to 1861) there were 13 4-year Democrat administrations in which Federal spending increased an average of 25% per administration, such that by the end of the Buchanan Democrat administration in 1861, Federal spending had risen from $10 million under Jefferson to $80 million under Buchanan.
Those were the Democratic Republicans. The Democrat Party was founded by Andrew Jackson decades later.There were also two Whig administrations, in which Federal spending fell, on average 16%. Over those 60 Democrat years, the national debt rose (mainly due to wars) and fell (especially under Jackson) such that the $82 million debt Jefferson inherited ended at $90 million under Buchanan. National debt rose by $10 million under the first Whig administration, fell $3 million under the second. So all claims that Democrats were somehow more frugal, small government or balanced budget are pure nonsense. It was only actually true in their own political propaganda.
What was the federal government spending most of its budget on? Aside from national defense which it didn't spend very much on, the vast majority was for infrastructure projects and corporate subsidies. Most of that spending was directed towards the Northern states even though it was the federal tariff paid overwhelmingly by Southerners which generated the lion's share of all federal revenues. Look at the state budgets of the Southern states. They were small and balanced.What Democrats undeniably were is more warlike: Against Federalist opposition Democrats declared war on Britain in 1812.
False. The Democrat party did not even exist then Against Whig opposition, Democrats declared war against Mexico in 1846.
Yes they did after Mexican troops killed American soldiers in US territory. Against Republican opposition, Democrats declared war against the United States in 1861.
False. It was Lincoln who sent a heavily armed fleet of warships to invade Confederate territory.And that is not even to mention dozens of other minor military actions, from Barbary Pirates & Florida to Trail of Tears.
Beating the crap out of the Muslim Barbary Pirates was done in the early years of the republic before the Democrat party existed. The Trail of Tears and the Seminole Wars were under Democrat administrations mostly but then again, they held the presidency mostly in those years. The Republicans weren't at all averse to ethnic cleansing and genocide of native peoples as Lincoln, Grant et all amply demonstrated both during the War for Southern Independence and afterwards.
--Alexander Stephens "
Well, first of all the word "empire" can mean almost anything.
We might remember, people said of the Holy Roman Empire that it was neither Holy nor Roman nor an Empire.
President Washington himself called the United States "our empire" in the 1790s, at which time by no definition of the word "empire" could that be anything more than a figure of speech.
Does the word "empire" imply conquered lands?
Much or all of the United States was conquered, if not by us then by, for example, the Spanish who were conquered by the French who sold us Louisiana territory.
Does "empire" imply dictatorship?
The British Empire was arguably as democratic as any nation on earth at the time, at least for the Brits themselves.
Second, I can find the Stephens' quote, but not the date or context of it -- was it pre-war, during the war, or post-war?
But I notice that after the war Stephens was elected to the US Senate and House of Representatives (5 times) before being elected Georgia's governor, in which post he died, naturally, in 1883.
So I take it that as an elected US official, Stephens did not feel like, say, a Tribune of the Roman Empire, right?
FLT-bird quoting:
-- Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864"
Because of that he is fantasized to have said a lot of stuff I'm not sure if he ever did.
Does anyone remember checking this out in the past?
“Oh boy. So I made a typo. Jeez, like no one has ever done that!”
That is an interesting comment.
Actually, everyone makes a typo at some time. That’s why it is best to avoid aiming hurtful language at others - it can boomerang.
For example, don’t write the following with the intent to hurt others and then send it to yourself: “Boy, you really are too stupid to be an idiot.”
If you want to strongly disagree with someone, just start by saying: That is an interesting comment.
Probably because that quote, and all the other quotes except Cleburne's, were made post-rebellion during the height of rebel revisionism on the part of the southern leadership.
Sure, "limited government" meaning denying African Americans their Federal rights under the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments.
Sure, "balanced budgets" just like every other state, and the Federal budget was always in balance, allowing reductions in the National Debt by 50% over the 30 years from 1867 to 1897.
Sure, "states rights" meaning the right of Southern states to nullify the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments, among many other rights they didn't want applied to blacks (1st, 2nd, etc.).
FLt-bird: "Black Codes were what was on the books in the Northern states.
Jim Crow was implemented later and was modeled on the Black Codes."
Sure, there were plenty of Northern Democrats just as racist as any ex-Confederate.
It's one reason Democrats North & South were so quick to get back together again after the Civil War -- they shared a lot of feelings in common.
One way to measure how vigorously such Black Codes (Jim Crow) were enforced would be to add up the number of lynching's:
So, post Civil War we have the 13th, 14th & 15th Amendments covering every state, but not enforced in the South.
We also have Black Codes or Jim Crow outside the Deep South, but lynchings against African Americans increasingly restricted to the South.
FLt-bird: "The traitors to the constitution were Lincoln and the Northern Republicans.
That's a total lie, an insane Democrat lie.
FLt-bird: "States are sovereign."
US states were never 100% "sovereign", ever.
FLt-bird: "The union is based on consent."
Sure, mutual consent as happened in 1776 and 1788, but not in 1861.
FLt-bird: "Those were the Democratic Republicans.
The Democrat Party was founded by Andrew Jackson decades later."
Nearly all the people, especially Southerners, who became Jacksonian Democrats had previously been Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans.
Likewise, nearly all the people, especially Northerners, who became the opposition Whigs had previously been Washington-Adams-Hamilton Federalists.
FLt-bird: "What was the federal government spending most of its budget on?
Aside from national defense which it didn't spend very much on, the vast majority was for infrastructure projects and corporate subsidies.
Most of that spending was directed towards the Northern states even though it was the federal tariff paid overwhelmingly by Southerners which generated the lion's share of all federal revenues.."
All of that is a pack of Democrat lies, the kinds of lies which will rot your brain if you believe any of it.
The truth is vastly different beginning here:
As for the often repeated claim that nearly all of Federal revenues came from Southern exports -- still another Democrat Big Lie, which we have now flogged at great length & detail on many CW threads.
It begins here: there were no Federal taxes on exports.
Out of time, must stop here.
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