Posted on 06/15/2020 7:29:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Cops are trained that if a suspect grabs your tazer then he could use it on you, take your gun and shoot you - so it falls into the "deadly force" criterion. Once the cop starts that action, he is likely to follow through based on training, rather than thinking.
A good example of this is the Walter Scott shooting. Scott reached for the officer's taser, then turned around and ran away. He was 15-20 feet away from the cop when he was shot in the back.
"He grabbed (or reached for) my weapon (or tazer)" used to be a get out of jail free card for cops. Now that these incidents are looked at more closely, more examples are coming to light where that excuse doesn't justify the fatal action.
RE: After watching the video IMO the reason he was shot in the back was because at the time he was half turned back discharging the taser.
I am not familiar with tasers. How dangerous is it to the officers from the distance he was discharging it from?
Exactly what “system of justice” are you referring to? In case you have missed it, the current and quite operative Two Tier “system” is rolling along as planned. Just ask Roger Stone, Lt.General Flynn and Justice Kavanaugh. Of course you could also check with Hillary Rodham Clinton, Susan Rice, James Comey and Loretta Lynch for their take on this subject.
Remember.
“Justice delayed is Justice denied”
I agree. I looked at the video and concluded the same thing, it was completely justified.
After you have wrestled with police, and then you are running away, any threatening movement you make becomes a credible threat, particularly when that involves pointing some kind of weapon at the police. That act negates any past or future “running away”.
There is a phrase to describe cops who just assume there is no danger in that situation - dead cops. You can’t assume it is a taser. You can’t assume he had no other weapon on him. He has already overpowered you and now he is threatening you with something in his hand. Even if he turns to run again, you don’t know if he’s going to turn and fire again after that.
Good shoot.
In fact, very good shoot.
Because the taser can still be used even though the projectile taser had been used, there is still a contact taser function available. He could’ve used that on anyone, carjacked someone and caused a crash with multiple deaths or who knows what else.
Look at how the process started, the cops were being reasonable, talking with him calmly, he got out of control and assaulted two officers and was showing a propensity for violence towards police. What makes you think he was going to stop there?
There are a multitude of scenarios here that could’ve went down. Letting him go is not one that should be considered given the circumstances. Shooting him while running away may seem questionable, but in the end he was still a threat as he was “running away”. He may have been running towards someone else in hopes that he could leverage them or their vehicle, etc...
Exactly.
Dude,
I am a 58 year old speed demon (I have a heavy foot).
When I see a cop car doing a u turn behind me, I immediately find a safe place to pull over and stop. I put my flashers on and open EVERY WINDOW. If night, I turn on my dome light.
While the cop is reading my plate, I pull my registration papers, my license and my conceal carry permit (for good measure) and place them in my hands OUTSIDE the window for the policeman as they approach my vehicle. This action completely de-escalates the anxiety that a cop SHOULD normmaly have when approaching a vehicle.
It is yes sir, no sir. for the entire conversation. Guess what, out of the 4-5 times I have been pulled over for the past 3-4 years, I have gotten off with just a warning. My wife says that I am the luckiest guy in the world but it can all be boiled down to displaying respect for the LE and the badge they represent. In many cases, we start visiting about firearms. Sometimes I may be stopped for 45 minutes sharing info with them.
Respect the law..... easy peasy concept.
MFO
Compared to this, it is.
how can they get a fair trial?.....
it is Cub foods, not cup foods.
He assaulted both police officers. He was intoxicated and had been driving. He apparently was on probation, which means the new crimes would probably send him to prison. MADD used to be considered the heroes. Now we’re supposed to let people drive while intoxicated and possibly kill innocent people (and yet people not wearing masks are accused of risking other people’s lives and so “should be” arrested for “assault”)? He’d be alive if he didn’t resist arrest, didn’t punch the officers, didn’t take and point a taser at the officer. How could the officer have known that it was a taser and not the other officer’s gun OR a gun that Brooks himself had? He was running, so why did he delay, turn, and fire at the officer? What was his goal? What would have happened if the officer went down, incapacitated? Officers have a right to self-defense, they have a duty to protect the public, and they deserve due process, presumption of innocence, and a fair trial BEFORE being punished. The VP-hopeful mayor forgot all about due process and her classes in constitutional law, apparently. She called for his IMMEDIATE firing, which she got. In addition, she “accepted” the white female police chief’s resignation and replaced her with a black male. This is equality and racial justice in 2020.
The taser is not a one-shot dealie. There is a projectile taser contact function, which is one shot, then there is the direct contact function of the taser that can be used multiple times.
Who knows? They were fairly close. What if he disabled the cop and then grabbed his gun? These things escalate and get pretty fluid. Bad decisions can lead to bad endings. That’s what happened here.
Sure you do. Just replay the action in slow-motion; it's as plain as day.
Thanks, did not know that before this discussion, but was not agreeing with the self-professed experts here telling us the cop should have known not to shoot.
I could not agree with you more.....once the cops saw I was not stoned on something and could converse with them in decent manner...they would ask me all kinds of questions about my car, a 1960 Pontiac Catalina & a 1978 Pontiac Trans Am. They would ask me to get out the car and show them the engine...they looked at the carbs and the breathing exhaust manifolds, and the plugged Lakes Plugs that were capped off!!! They used to kid me, saying “Hey, Teenage Punk...you should have run...we never would have caught you!!!” I actually learned, that these cops were human...too!!! I still respect and honor them 100%. They have a very tough, dangerous job and we should all, as good citizens appreciate them!!!
Yes, or barricade himself in the house with weapons and kids and baby mama as shields.
Sounds like there are also dual shot projectile taser types as well.
I see he is a “former police chief”. With advice like that, I can see why. Depending on his past record, that could have been Felony DUI.
Call him an Uber? What a moron.
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