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If Impeachment Articles Are Not Delivered to Senate, Did Impeachment Happen?
National Review ^ | 12/20/2019 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 12/19/2019 9:15:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind

It’s hard to believe the Speaker’s latest stunt will go on for very long. I’ll confess: Last night, when I was first told that Speaker Nancy Pelosi was toying with the idea of not delivering the two articles of impeachment voted by the House against President Trump, I assumed it was a joke.

For these last weeks, the Democrat-dominated chamber has been in a mad rush to impeach the president. Democrats even tacked on article two — “obstruction of Congress” — because, they told us, time could not be wasted engaging in the usual negotiation and litigation over legislative demands for executive branch information. Trump is a clear and present threat to “continue” undermining our elections, we were admonished. That’s why he needs to be impeached right now. That’s why the political class cannot responsibly leave his fate up to the sovereign, the People, who will vote in November.

But now that the deed is done, it’s . . . hey, not so fast.

Pelosi and Democratic leadership have convinced themselves there may be advantage in delaying the formal, ministerial delivery of the impeachment articles — as if Mitch McConnell were in as much a hurry to receive them as Democrats were to conjure them up. The thought is that this latest strategic petulance might pressure Senator McConnell into promising a full-blown trial, including summoning as witnesses top aides of the president whom the House didn’t bother to summon because tangling over privilege issues would have slowed up the works.

So it’s not a joke, but I still have to laugh. When I was a prosecutor negotiating plea deals, I always found the most pathetic defense lawyers were the ones who acted like they were playing with the House money when, in stark reality, it was they who needed something from me. Now here’s Pelosi trying to play hard to get with McConnell who, I imagine, couldn’t care less how long Democrats want to dither.

What we’ve just seen is the most partisan impeachment in American history, every step of it politically calculated. Obviously, if Democrats perceived advantage in stretching the process out, it would still be going on. There would be more witnesses; more 300- or 600-page committee reports to try to add heft and gravity to vague allegations of inchoate misconduct; more speeches about Trump as a threat to democracy and life as we know it; etc., etc.

To the contrary, Pelosi & Co. want this train wreck in the rearview mirror ASAP. The public is indifferent and polls are edging in Trump’s favor. On our local news this morning, the third impeachment of a president of the United States in American history couldn’t crack the top stories — it came in behind cold weather (in December) and the rescue of an elderly man in a gym by a couple of off-duty cops.

No one, of course, has to explain this to McConnell. In public, at least, he’s not a laughing-his-head-off kinda guy, but if he were, he would be.

It’s hard to believe the Speaker’s latest stunt will go on for very long. In the Senate this morning, the Democrats’ minority leader, Senator Chuck Schumer, renewed his demands about trial procedures, discovery, and witness testimony. There was no discernible hint of doubt that the House would soon deliver its impeachment articles, such as they are.

But since we’ll be playing trivial pursuit for a more few hours (days?), we might as well ask: As long as the House withholds the impeachment articles from the Senate, has Trump been impeached?

In the law, there are many situations in which an outcome is known, but it is not a formal outcome until some ministerial act is taken. A grand jury can vote an indictment, for example, but the defendant is not considered indicted until the charges are filed with the clerk of the court. A defendant can be found guilty by a jury, but there is technically no conviction until the judgment is “entered” by the trial court, usually months later when sentence is imposed. An appellate court can issue a ruling that orders a lower court to take some action, but the lower court has no jurisdiction to act in the case until issuance of the appellate court’s “mandate” — the document that formally transfers jurisdiction.

Plainly, Congress has similar ministerial acts of transference that must occur in order for legislation to pass. Were that not the case, Speaker Pelosi would not be talking about delaying the transfer of impeachment articles.

So it’s all well and good for the Speaker to hold up the works that Democrats, five minutes ago, were breathlessly telling us had to be carried out with all due haste. But many scholars take the position that the Constitution requires a trial if there has been an impeachment. If such a trial cannot properly occur unless and until articles of impeachment have been transferred from the House to the Senate, and Speaker Pelosi won’t transfer them, has President Trump actually been impeached?

Sure, it’s a stupid question . . . but we’re living in stupid times.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andymccarthy; impeachment; nopeachment; pelosi; senate
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To: SeekAndFind

The vote was taken. Trump has been impeached.

As the impeachment was an act of treason, they do NOT get to take it back. They will all hang for it.


81 posted on 12/20/2019 3:37:16 AM PST by thoughtomator (... this has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.)
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To: exDemMom

You got it my FRiend!

Koan” What us the Sound of one hand clapping?”

(Thats Nancys arse flopping in full retreat!)


82 posted on 12/20/2019 3:39:33 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obam_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Mark17
I believe they will never stop coming up with new reasons to impeach.

If the senate and supremes dismiss this with prejudice, as someone suggested above, on the basis that neither article describes a legal crime, then Nancy's hands are tied. She will be thwarted in her machinations to become dictator. She won't be able to commit such an abuse of power again.

83 posted on 12/20/2019 3:41:10 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org)
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To: exDemMom

One is an image from the web and the other is her speaking at the “impeachment”.

I saw the odd pin then and it’s been bugging me ever since, where have I see that before?

*shrug*

I put nothing past these people and sometimes, the subconscious screams out the secrets they keep quiet.


84 posted on 12/20/2019 3:52:17 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical D screwup.

Long may they waver.


85 posted on 12/20/2019 3:57:20 AM PST by gasport (The dung beetle should be the symbol of the Democrat Party)
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To: exDemMom
Best closeup I could find. Weird choice of jewelry.p>
86 posted on 12/20/2019 3:57:49 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: Mat_Helm

Agreed.


87 posted on 12/20/2019 3:58:08 AM PST by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Salamander

Is that a pledge pin?


88 posted on 12/20/2019 3:58:26 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: SeekAndFind

If a frog decided to jump off the lily pad and never jumped, is the decision rendered meaningless?


89 posted on 12/20/2019 3:58:28 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s only mostly impeached.


90 posted on 12/20/2019 3:58:51 AM PST by EdnaMode
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To: exDemMom; Salamander

Mace of the United States House of Representatives (sometimes referred to as the Mace of the Republic). As reported by the New York Times, the adornment was created by Ann Hand, a jewelry designer based in Washington, D.C, and retails for $125.

https://history.house.gov/Blog/Detail/15032450168


91 posted on 12/20/2019 4:00:37 AM PST by EBH (DNC=Party NON GRATA)
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To: Boardwalk

I have no idea what a pledge pin is.

Sorry.


92 posted on 12/20/2019 4:01:49 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: EBH

Huh.

That kind of an unfortunate choice, considering.


93 posted on 12/20/2019 4:04:07 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: EdnaMode

Are the articles currently pining for the fjords?


94 posted on 12/20/2019 4:05:31 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: Falconspeed

The democrats are paying the price for going so far left in order to keep their party alive. And now, the chicks have come home to roost. My guess is that they’ll keep the Articles in a safe p[lace and try to use them as a threat against the president when they thinks it’s advantageous for them.


95 posted on 12/20/2019 4:05:52 AM PST by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: samtheman
Senate of the United States... the ball is in your court. Please proceed.

Unless the articles are passed to the Senate, the ball isn't even on the field.

96 posted on 12/20/2019 4:05:58 AM PST by agere_contra (Please pray for Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: EBH

Where are my manners...thank you for the article.


97 posted on 12/20/2019 4:06:32 AM PST by Salamander (Living On The Ledge....)
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To: Salamander

Q...the feathered serpent.


98 posted on 12/20/2019 4:07:26 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.com)
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To: Salamander

Flounder. Animal House. Sheesh


99 posted on 12/20/2019 4:07:34 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: SoCar

“This guy from Harvard who wrote this article was one of the three Dem expert witnesses. The younger guy.”

I can only assume that he wasn’t the one photographed in the pink cunt cap.


100 posted on 12/20/2019 4:09:12 AM PST by RonnG (')
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