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Why The Freemans Moved To Russia (Americans immigrating)
The American Conservative ^ | 0-04-2019 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 02/05/2019 8:05:22 AM PST by NRx

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To: PIF

Why shot in school? School shooting is most prevalent in US.


41 posted on 02/05/2019 2:47:45 PM PST by entropy12 (One million LEGAL immigrants/year is too many, without vetting for skills, Wealth or English skills.)
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To: PIF

In general, Russian young women are the prettiest anywhere. But older Russian women are mostly fat. Older oriental women retain their shape better if they remain in Asia. With American diet they get chunky.


42 posted on 02/05/2019 2:53:06 PM PST by entropy12 (One million LEGAL immigrants/year is too many, without vetting for skills, Wealth or English skills.)
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To: Nifster

Not to me and a lot more crowded than it was 50 years ago.


43 posted on 02/05/2019 3:37:38 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Then you need to take a look around this great big country


44 posted on 02/05/2019 5:15:14 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

I’ve dealt with you before.

Have a nice day.


45 posted on 02/05/2019 6:40:05 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: NRx; LukeL; NorseViking; Sequoyah101; Berlin_Freeper; jjotto; bert; golux; Eric in the Ozarks; ...

Yes, not the promise land:

Residents of Apollonovka, a village of 960 in Omsk oblast, have taken the unusual step of producing a video appeal to Vladimir Putin demanding that he intervene to address their lack of gas, water, roads, medical care and Internet connectivity. They say that “the last straw” was the end of bus service to the district center 55 kilometers away.

We may be able to exist without gas, water, roads, Internet, and medical care,” the villagers say in their video; “but we cannot sit still when we are deprives of the elementary opportunity to get out of the village.

That additional demand is intriguing because it suggests that the power of the Internet in Russia is far broader than many suspect. Even those who don’t have it want it; and if they aren’t connected with the world wide web, they want to be, a remarkable change in public needs and wants in less than a decade.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2019/02/we-have-no-gas-water-roads-or-internet.html

https://www.znak.com/2019-02-12/zhiteli_sela_v_omskoy_oblasti_pozhalovalis_putinu_na_otsutstvie_gaza_vody_svyazi_i_vrachey (Russian)

Thirty-seven percent of Russians life on 19,000 rubles or less a month, Rosstat says, a figure that works out to a subsistence of ten US dollars or a less a day, 23.2 percent live on less than 15,000 rubles a month (under seven dollars a day); and 12 percent have incomes under 10,000 rubles a month (five dollars a day).

Only 11 percent, have incomes of 60,000 rubles or more a month (30 dollars plus a day)

According to surveys conducted by The Conference Board and Nielsen consulting companies at the end of last year, “23 percent of Russians do not have money even for clothes. All of their income goes for the most necessary expenditures like food and payments for communal services,” the Moscow paper says.

And that figure is up by four percent from a year earlier, when only 19 percent of Russians were in that position. It is thus no surprise, Novyye izvestiya continues, that Russians “do not believe they can cope with inflation which in January alone was one percent” over all and as much as 20 percent for some basic products.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2019/02/nearly-40-percent-of-russians-subsist.html

https://newizv.ru/news/economy/08-02-2019/tsifra-dnya-37-rossiyan-zhivut-menshe-chem-na-10-v-den (Russian)

Putin told the Federal Assembly that Russian regions, not his government, must ensure that all schools have indoor toilets.

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2019/02/putins-words-about-lack-of-indoor.html

https://versia.ru/putin-vse-rossijskie-shkoly-dolzhny-byt-obespecheny-vodoj-otopleniem-i-tualetami (Russian)


46 posted on 02/24/2019 11:47:20 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Grampa Dave

That seems to be happening.


No doubt. But the influx of American leftists has nothing to do with it. Not only was the number too small too matter, but Canada was trending leftist long before Viet Nam.


47 posted on 02/24/2019 12:02:49 PM PST by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: AdmSmith

I believe they didn’t move to Apollonovka.

Every country in the world has places with poor conditions and there are better places for sure.

United States has places like Camden, NJ. Does it mean US is a bad place to live in general?

As for incomes they were three times higher just five years ago. 90% of people believe they know why it has worsened and maybe only two in ten believe the problem is inside the country.


48 posted on 02/24/2019 12:17:16 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: AdmSmith

The Russians have had a slave mentality for at least a thousand years


49 posted on 02/24/2019 12:33:00 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks AdmSmith.

50 posted on 02/24/2019 12:47:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: LukeL

” A good hardy individual could live quite well in the Russian countryside.”

LoL. A good hardy individual could live even better in the American country side. But please feel free to prove I’m wrong.


51 posted on 02/24/2019 12:55:34 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: AdmSmith

Gee, very little money, no gas, water or medical care, etc. What’s not to love?


52 posted on 02/24/2019 12:57:31 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Do you realize where the village is? I guess you can find places with little money, gas, water and hospitals in US as well. And you sure won’t be happy if and when US government would use your money to prop these places up.


53 posted on 02/24/2019 1:25:42 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: nuconvert; NRx; LukeL; NorseViking; Sequoyah101; Berlin_Freeper; jjotto; bert; golux; ...

Roads in Russia are notoriously bad, the result of a combination of climate, corruption, backward technologies, and a budgetary system that means those who build roads they will soon have to repair will make more than those who build highways that will last. Just how bad have long been the subject of anecdotes. Now, Novyye izvestiya gives the numbers.

Among the most striking of the numbers are the following:

· Despite being more than twice the size of the US, Russia today has almost 80 percent fewer kilometers of roadways than does the North American country.

· Average speeds on major highways are only two percent that of those in the US.

· Russian highway fatalities ae 6.5 times the rate per million of population compared to Great Britain.

· 97 percent of roads in Moscow meet basic standards while in some places like Arkhangelsk Oblast 96 percent don’t, but the Kremlin plans to spend more on improvements in the former than in the latter.

· Russia has so many potholes in its roads that the government even has a pothole standard: Officially no pothole is to go unrepaired if it exceeds 15 centimeters in length, 60 centimeters in width, and five centimeters in depth. For roads of local importance, there are supposed to be no more than 2.5 square meters per 1000 square meters of road surface with pothole damage, except in the springtime when the number is allowed to rise to 7 square meters.

· But despite these shortcomings, Russia now spends on federal highways 50 percent more per kilometer of new construction as does the US, 202 million rubles (three million US dollars) compared to 127 million rubles (two million US dollars).

· In a country with few good roads in most of it, the most expensive road in the world, Russian experts say, is the Moscow ring road: each kilometer of it costs on average 578 million US dollars.

· Corruption adds to these costs: While each project is probably only about 10 percent higher than it would be if corruption were eliminated, the system allows multiple projects for each length of road and therefore the total amount of corruption is massively higher.

· The Putin regime’s highway construction plans are not going to help most Russians: Those in Moscow and the larger cities may benefit; those elsewhere will not. Indeed, they may be even worse off in 2024 than they are now. According to government figures, the share of all roads in Russia located in major cities will grow from 42 percent in 2018 to 85 percent in 2024

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2019/03/just-how-bad-are-russian-roads-novyye.html

https://newizv.ru/article/tilda/13-03-2019/dorogi-rossii-realnost-i-obeschaniya (Russian)


54 posted on 03/17/2019 9:32:14 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

In more densely populated areas of Russia roads are on par or better than in West Europe nowadays. I think it might actually be better than roads you have in densely populated areas in US.

As for Archangelsk region it basically have three quality paved highways. One is M8 connecting Archangelsk to Moscow. Another is some 30 miles long from Archangelsk to Severodvinsk which is a major shipbuilding center. Third one is a some 100 miles highway between M8 and military spaceport and related military city. The latter still has certain parts under construction but overall all three highways are of perfect quality by any standard as for autumn 2018.

The rest of the roads in the region are dirt of gravel, some require potent SUV to navigate under bad weather but it is not about corruption, bad planning or something else like that.
Archangelsk region is very sparsely populated and it is just slightly lesser than France by territory. Some of its districts are larger than many US states or major countries by size but has only 30000 people living in it.

For example there is a town Onega which has a population of 15000, it is 100 miles away from Severodvinsk and there is literally nothing between these population centers. There is a dirt and gravel road in summer and ice road in winter but I don’t see it as a sign of backwardness or corruption. All things concerned it doesn’t make any economic sense to build billion dollar paved highways in the middle of nowhere to have maybe a couple dozen cars driving on any given day.


55 posted on 03/17/2019 10:59:43 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
Do you see the difference between my posts http://freerepublic.com/tag/by:admsmith/index and your http://freerepublic.com/tag/by:norseviking/index

This is your post:
In more densely populated areas of Russia roads are on par or better than in West Europe nowadays. I think it might actually be better than roads you have in densely populated areas in US.

Please give a source with statistics, otherwise why should we believe what your are writing?

56 posted on 03/17/2019 11:12:44 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

I don’t know what kind of statistics prove it. Let’s say I driven in both East and West. So let’s say personal experience. Maybe there would be someone who has the same or opposite experience as I had. I suspect you don’t so let’s see if someone else shares.


57 posted on 03/17/2019 11:24:07 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: AdmSmith

Let’s see if YouTube helps.

Sterling Heights, Michigan
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qgqIlJagMIw

R351 highway Tyumen-Kamyshlov Siberia
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3aFwrXYUk0c


58 posted on 03/17/2019 11:37:01 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking
Thanks, that was a good road and a bad road.
It is as well an excellent example why youtube does not give the whole picture. Here is a good road as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lz8-iJYfek

Well, we need statistics not one or two examples.

Do you trust this article?:
Доля дорог, НЕ соответствующих нормативам Дороги регионального или межмуниципального значения 56.9 %
Дороги местного значения 6.7 %
Федеральные трассы 17.2 %
https://newizv.ru/article/tilda/13-03-2019/dorogi-rossii-realnost-i-obeschaniya

If not, do you have another source?
59 posted on 03/17/2019 1:12:35 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

North Korean link you sent is irrelevant. The take on statistics you sent is a sort of ‘half-empty glass’ take.
It is correct but statistics do not necessarily reflect the situation you encounter in real life.

Above I tried to outline the issues of Russian infrastructure and most of these aren’t the result of backwardness and corruption.

One important thing everyone seems to overlook is that the majority of Russian road infrastructure was looking exactly like Sterling Heights just 20 years ago.

As for today the link of ‘good road’ I sent you is not of somehow exceptional highway. It is how the average rather extensively used road in remove rural area of Russia is looking nowadays. There are better roads around more populous areas. There are worse roads for sure but I just explained you why based on my personal experience of driving in Archangelsk region which you brought as an example of the territory which is underdeveloped in terms of road infrastructure.

I think I tried to explain why Moscow has it better than Archangelsk and why it is justified. Once again Moscow region houses 15% of total Russian population on twice the territory of Vermont. Archangelsk region houses 0,5% of Russian population on the territory equal to France. Of course most of its roads are unimproved and it is justified.
Building six lane thousand miles long highways between small town which doesn’t have a lot of trade going on makes about as much sense as building high speed rail in between ghost towns in high desert in US.
I believe Russia is correct in not pursuing the latter but focusing on routes which is in higher use.


60 posted on 03/17/2019 6:21:17 PM PDT by NorseViking
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