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Worse than you thought: inside the secret Fitzgerald probe the Navy doesn’t want you to read
Navy Times ^ | Jan. 14, 2019, 8:43 AM | Geoff Ziezulewicz,

Posted on 01/18/2019 4:28:53 PM PST by daniel1212

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To: gaijin
Don't miss the supplementary column at extreme right. You will have to scroll over extra for that.

Strange, i am not seeing that column at all.

21 posted on 01/18/2019 5:33:29 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: gaijin
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/a-warship-doomed-by-confusion-indecision-and-ultimately-panic-on-the-bridge/?utm_source=clavis By: Geoff Ziezulewicz

When Navy Rear Adm. Brian Fort stepped aboard the guided-missile destroyer Fitzgerald in the aftermath of the 2017 collision with a commercial cargo ship, everything was off. Any warship would seem a little off after a catastrophe that claimed the lives of seven sailors, but this was different.

“It didn’t look right, smell right, sound right,” Fort said during a hearing last year for a Fitzgerald officer facing court-martial in the wake of the June 17, 2017, disaster.

“There was debris everywhere,” Fort said under oath. “Food debris, food waste, uneaten food, half-eaten food, personal gear in the form of books, workout gear, workout bands, kettlebells, weightlifting equipment, the status boards had graffiti on them.” and, worse, sailors who had no idea how to use the technology.https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/the-ghost-in-the-fitzs-machine-why-a-doomed-warships-crew-never-saw-the-vessel-that-hit-it/?utm_source=clavis

22 posted on 01/18/2019 5:36:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: jimtorr

Agree, the Captain was grossly negligent in the execution of his responsibilities and apparently oblivious to the internal frictions between officers in his wardroom.


23 posted on 01/18/2019 5:41:19 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: daniel1212

This is the guaranteed results you get when allowing women to serve in the military - especially on board naval vessels.

WOMEN DO NOT BELONG IN AMERICA’S ARMED FORCES. PERIOD!

And I really don’t give a rat’s a$$ if there are women on FR who object to my stating so.


24 posted on 01/18/2019 5:46:29 PM PST by JME_FAN (If you lived here, you'd be home by now.)
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To: daniel1212
The probe exposes how personal distrust led the officer of the deck, Lt. j.g. Sarah Coppock,

Someone care to clue me in on why there was a female acting as OOD while this tin can was underway?

25 posted on 01/18/2019 5:47:01 PM PST by atc23
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To: Bull Snipe

Adm. Grady warned about readiness at the Surface Navy Association meeting, specifically noting that junior officers need to be able to step into command positions *immediately* in the absence of senior officers. He mentioned the incidents.


26 posted on 01/18/2019 5:52:07 PM PST by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: daniel1212

Sent this to my son who is a Navy pilot. Asked him, “Is the whole Navy this screwed up? I hope not. But I have to wonder……Lord help us if we ever have to fight a war……..but I suspect that if the USN is this bad, the Russians have to be worse…..Chinese?

They are the scary ones - Asians are incredibly disciplined, hard-working and not spoiled……..


27 posted on 01/18/2019 5:54:21 PM PST by Arlis
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To: jimtorr

And Trump has not lifted a finger to correct these travesties. His Obama Generals fed him crap about how good the integration of females has been when anyone with an ounce of common sense knows better. Those Ranger tabs should be stripped from the women who did not earn them but not a single politician has the balls to do it. (Retired Army Officer)


28 posted on 01/18/2019 5:55:50 PM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: daniel1212

The women who were in charge of different parts of the ship that night were pissed at each other and not talking. People died because women were in charge and would not talk to each other and were not trained due to lower standards being implemented.


29 posted on 01/18/2019 5:57:18 PM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: daniel1212

Consider the perspective of the Skipper. He wanted be promoted to be Captain and to be set on the path to a Flag. Having females on the bridge and in the key positions in the CIC was essential elements of his success. The problem is that female line officers had been selected on their basis of gender rather than on leadership or seamanship. Many females are capable of sea at command or technical seamanship, but those numbers are insufficient to meet the political requirements. The result is disasters like this.

Perhaps a good way to select good politicians like Alexandria Ocasiso-Castro, but not a good way to select competent Naval seafarers.


30 posted on 01/18/2019 6:06:41 PM PST by centurion316
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To: daniel1212
Women should not be in these positions. There's a difference between men and women that people need to accept. It's not sexist, or insulting, to accept the biological differences between genders.
31 posted on 01/18/2019 8:10:26 PM PST by LeeClementineKenny (DECONSTRUCT THE DEEP STATE!!! - BUILD THE WALL!!! - TRUMP 2020!!! - MAGA!!! - www.DonaldJTrump.com)
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To: gaijin

What was the failure rate for the men in the class with the women? If it wasn’t comparable to previous classes, the standards were changed.


32 posted on 01/18/2019 8:30:48 PM PST by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: gaijin

Reading about the Army Ranger School lowering their requirements has made me literally ill.

The Army leadership should be hung and quartered and those women who are taking credit for passing that ‘school,’ should be thrown out of the army. It is beyond hope that those women would have enough integrity to be ashamed at the fraud they committed with the assistance of the Army’s leadership.

Sheesh.


33 posted on 01/18/2019 8:46:21 PM PST by Notthereyet (NotThereYet)
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To: daniel1212

Nothing in this report surprises me. All I had to see was the rust running down the sides of the ship from the scuppers.

No money, no maintenance, no morale and no consequences.

Lowered standards. Socialism.


34 posted on 01/18/2019 8:51:52 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: Midwesterner53
The women who were in charge of different parts of the ship that night were pissed at each other and not talking. People died because women were in charge and would not talk to each other and were not trained due to lower standards being implemented.

And even saying that could cost you a promotion, or worse.

35 posted on 01/18/2019 8:52:23 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: laplata

And do what Recon Marine?


36 posted on 01/18/2019 8:52:51 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: centurion316
Consider the perspective of the Skipper. He wanted be promoted to be Captain and to be set on the path to a Flag. Having females on the bridge and in the key positions in the CIC was essential elements of his success

Meaning being politically correct. That is not success.

37 posted on 01/18/2019 8:53:56 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: moovova

Right arm rates ended in 1946. Can’t recognize left arm rate. Hair much too long. Doubt these are even real sailors.


38 posted on 01/18/2019 8:54:26 PM PST by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: JME_FAN

Period! Exactly. People are getting killed needlessly all for PC bull spit.


39 posted on 01/18/2019 8:54:32 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: Sequoyah101

It gets worse: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/the-ghost-in-the-fitzs-machine-why-a-doomed-warships-crew-never-saw-the-vessel-that-hit-it/?utm_source=clavis


40 posted on 01/18/2019 8:55:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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