Worse than you thought: inside the secret Fitzgerald probe the Navy doesn’t want you to read

Navy Times ^ | Jan. 14, 2019, 8:43 AM | Geoff Ziezulewicz,

[daniel1212]

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[CondorFlight]

Obama’s navy.

[daniel1212]

The new co-ed Navy, which consents to conducting same-sex marriages but could not avoid a forced “union” with a foreign ship.

[gaijin]

Don't miss the supplementary column at extreme right.

You will have to scroll over extra for that.

[jimtorr]

Sounds like primary responsibility on the captain, but plenty of blame to go around to all officers and senior NCOs. Also one or two layers of command above the captain.

This was Obama’s navy. Was/is this lack of care by Navy command service wide? Does the rot extend far, into other branches?

[SaveFerris]

[Obama’s navy.]

Indeed

[Mikemurphy]

I have never read such a breath taking horror about out navy. Political correctness now has killed over 20 seaman and jeopardized the security of America. This cooper woman apparently drove the ship recklessly into a busy sea lane killing 10 and causing $100,000,000 in taxpayer losses. She was ordered to take a test on her officer proficiency and she defied orders. I want to know why she is not being court Martialed and shot!!

[jimtorr]

I want to know why she is not being court Martialed and shot!!

She defied orders because she knew she could get away with it.

[jimtorr]

I see that gaijin answered my question. The rot does extend, at least somewhat, into other branches. Readiness, capability and discipline have been negatively affected.

[rktman]

Well, it sure as hell ain’t the one I was in! WOW!

[Capt. Tom]

One of my first jobs involved me working with a much older retired merchant mariner.
He told me his captain told them when on the bridge to give all military vessels a wide berth since you never knew what they were going to do. - tom,

[colorado tanker]

I know I'm a landlubber, but this is shocking to me. In my Army, a commander was expected to be awake and in active command during all critical maneuvers.

And a filthy, urine stained CIC? Sure sounds like lack of discipline.

[sport]

Mark.

[moovova]

"Obama's navy."

[Rockingham]

My father, a Kings Point graduate who was a merchant marine officer for years and a Navy officer during the Korean War, was astonished at the Fitgerald collision and immediately suspected that it was due to persistent USN slackness in standards and habits in standing watch. In the Merchant Marine, lapses in keeping watch can quickly result in getting dropped from the crew. Not so in the USN, where lines of responsibility are often unclear and lapses are not always reprimanded and corrected.

[daniel1212]

And a filthy, urine stained CIC? Sure sounds like lack of discipline.

And "bottles filled with pee" Is it actually possible that regs forbade dumping them in the ocean?

[msrngtp2002]

I was a mmcs(SW). Mostly engineroom operator. As part of the surface warfare thing in the late 70’s I recall having to learn rudimentary ship handling. Evidently the Navy has significantly reduced it’s standards. Glad I’m not there to witness it

[wjcsux]

0bama’s navy personnel were busy taking diversity training instead of learning how to navigate a warship at sea.

[laplata]

0bama’s navy personnel were busy taking diversity training instead of learning how to navigate a warship at sea.

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I spoke to an Army vet and she told me that she was disgusted with the emphasis on PC and diversity rather than on training.

She said if DJT corrects the BS, she might re-enlist.

[daniel1212]

More info https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/01/14/a-warship-doomed-by-confusion-indecision-and-ultimately-panic-on-the-bridge/?utm_source=clavis