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It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous
The Federalist ^ | April 10, 2018 | Jesse Kelly

Posted on 04/10/2018 9:00:07 AM PDT by fwdude

“When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another…” — The Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

Divorce is hard, but it’s easier than cutting the brake lines on your wife’s car. It is long past time for an amicable divorce of the United States of America. There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore. We are now the couple screaming at each other all night, every night as the kids hide in their room.

We cannot come together, but we do not have to live like this. The history of the world is nations breaking up and redrawing their borders. If we want to avoid this political divide turning into a deadly one, we should do likewise.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilwar2; corruption; cw2; staterights; tyranny
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To: Simon Green

I want Vegas and Death Valley. And Yosemite.

They can have the rest.


121 posted on 04/10/2018 10:52:54 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: The Deplorable Miss Lemon
I used to think that America and our American government was noble.

It was. But then, thanks in part to leftism, we started turning away from God. We thought we could go our own ways without repercussions. Look at us now: the internet, for example, seems to be a seething sea of hatred. STD's are rampant, due to promiscuity. People do go their own way, but sometimes, that particular way is evil. And so on . . .

Amazingly enough, we are still generally a Christian nation, but how many people simply "go through the motions" when going to church? My Uncle Bob, who is a devout minister, said he knows maybe 100(?) people at his old church who, if they all died at once, would bust Hell wide open.

(In full disclosure, I only recently turned to God and accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I have not found a church yet, but hopefully soon . . .)

Our government now reflects the corruption in some of us. Even some of our churches have serious problems. But fortunately, we have a possible, if not probable, way out. We, as a nation, can undergo the experiential test of turning back to God, so that our land will be healed, as was said of Israel in the Old Testament, IIRC.

122 posted on 04/10/2018 10:54:07 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: fwdude
Montana keeps electing a Demonic-rat governor and has one ‘rat senator. How conservative is that?

Voting for Trump by 20 points over Clinton conservative. A bigger winning margin than Trump had in Arizona, in Texas, in Florida, in North Carolina, in Georgia, in Mississippi.

123 posted on 04/10/2018 10:54:19 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Blue House Sue

You include San Diego and not Detroit????


124 posted on 04/10/2018 11:03:16 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: fwdude

How and where accomplished I don’t know but the irreconcilable divide is real and will get worse.


125 posted on 04/10/2018 11:10:57 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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I think that is probably true today.

People who have no lives outside of “blogging” or being tied to the digital umbilical cord might think the values are different. MOST people really have better things to do with their lives.

I would suggest that you could start a conversation with anyone and after a while, if you are being really honest, you can agree on 90% of stuff. The things that divide us can be compromised. But no one is willing to give an inch these days.


126 posted on 04/10/2018 11:11:36 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

That was the idea of “statesmen”—like the many folks who worked very hard to avoid a Civil War in the 1820s, 1830s etc.

I have no problem imagining an alternate history with a peaceful parting of the ways—but hindsight is 20/20—cooler heads did not prevail.


127 posted on 04/10/2018 11:16:55 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: sphinx
The main problem with the proposed map is that it assumes that we must maintain the geographical integrity of the existing states. The states are as internally divided as the nation.

Yep. We rural Pennsylvanians put Trump over the top.

The divide is urban-rural. How that sorts out I dunno...give the cities the option to form autonomous city states I guess, and maybe allow the rural areas to form a kind of confederation.

I have a sad feeling that the author is right. It would be preferable to war.

128 posted on 04/10/2018 11:18:07 AM PDT by Claud
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To: cgbg

One more thought—the only way this gets fixed is with an honest admission that the divide is great—an admission without name calling, finger pointing, moral posturing—just an admission of the simple fact.

Then real negotiations could begin.

Notice that _no-one_ in DC can even step up to the plate to begin to think about, much less talk about, the issue.


129 posted on 04/10/2018 11:19:09 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: doorgunner69

“You include San Diego and not Detroit????”

I included the major cities and San Diego has more than twice the population of Detroit.


130 posted on 04/10/2018 11:19:27 AM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: fwdude

Unless there is blood, there will be no real resolution.

The progressives must be utterly destroyed, their cities turned to ashes


131 posted on 04/10/2018 11:19:30 AM PDT by bert (RE)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What a lovely post, thank you for taking the time to answer the way you did.

I grew up in the sixties and frankly I didn’t think we could survive such a decadent time with such divisions but those divisions passed and we raised our family in the 70’s and 80’s when things seemed calmer and much more “American.”

Some of our neighbors voted Dem, while most voted “R” but we all shared the same values, God, Family, Country and our values brought us together regardless of our political views.

The political left is the enemy of our country and has a lot to answer for. Our political right has much to be ashamed of for never taking the fight to the enemy of our country.

Alexis de Tocqueville is supposed to have said, “the US is great because the US is good. If the US ever ceases to be good it will cease to be great.”

It would seem that our government wants to be sure that we cease to be great ever again as they fighting against everything that is good.

I am glad that you have accepted Jesus as your savior and may he bless you always.


132 posted on 04/10/2018 11:20:53 AM PDT by The Deplorable Miss Lemon (If illegals are here to do the jobs Americans won't do why are so many illegals on welfare?)
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To: fwdude
There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore.

when the good compromises with evil, evil gains

133 posted on 04/10/2018 11:21:44 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: fwdude
Years ago, a British politician got in trouble for saying about the EU, that Britain might just as well hand over their sovereignty to Adolf Hitler as to the European Union -- it would be the same thing.

That was probably an exaggeration, but with all this talk about secession and breaking up the country, you might as well hand over the whole thing to China, since China would be the prime beneficiary.

We are a nation hopelessly divided. We are more divided now than we have ever been in our history. And before you start screaming at me about the Civil War, keep in mind that bloody conflict was fought over one major issue. In those days, take ten families from New York and ten families from Alabama, put them all in a room, and you’d find they mostly had the same values (and bad accents).

You can say that now, but back then, didn't they think they disagreed about everything? Even now you find people trying to make more out of the Civil War than just the obvious differences over slavery.

Also, aren't differences as much a matter of class and ethnicity and urban versus rural living as they are of North versus South or blue state versus red state? Find an upscale suburb of Birmingham and one of Buffalo and the differences aren't so great. Would the differences be that big if you compared an Alabama county with a New York county on the Pennsylvania line?

134 posted on 04/10/2018 11:21:45 AM PDT by x
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To: fwdude; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
CWII Ping!

A divorce is better than a war, the author argues.


135 posted on 04/10/2018 11:24:54 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: fwdude; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
CWII Ping!

A divorce is better than a war, the author argues.


136 posted on 04/10/2018 11:25:01 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: fwdude

Bkmk


137 posted on 04/10/2018 11:27:58 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is mine.)
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To: Seaplaner

I’m in Kentucky, a very red state, but the map puts us on the blue side of the line.


138 posted on 04/10/2018 11:28:35 AM PDT by Berosus (I wish I had as much faith in God as liberals have in government.)
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To: robroys woman

Wrong move for me. I figure it will all end like the Movie ‘War of the Roses’ (1989)


139 posted on 04/10/2018 11:32:16 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: fwdude

Posting without reading the article warning!

That said, and I will read it later when I have time, I’ve thought the same (that we are living in particularly acrimonious times), but a brief review of American history shows, I believe, the acrimony of our times are not all that particular to our age. It’s just more observable.

From the majority of the populace during the Revolution itself being quite ambivalent to the whole affair, romantic revisions aside, to the fierce fighting between the Whigs and Torries, the new Republicans split from the Democratic Republican Party, up to the partisan bickering over race, war hawks vs isolationists during WWI and WWII, all the way through the turbulent 60’s, there really wasnt much less “division” in our country than what we see today.

We just see it and experience it more often thanks to “social” media. I don’t see CWII starting anytime soon because quite frankly the majority in this country are much like the majority throughout history: we are too busy just paying bills to start a revolution.


140 posted on 04/10/2018 11:32:49 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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