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US 'will fail if it tries to split Europe': Germany
TheLocal.de ^ | 18 March 2018 17:11 CET+01:00 | AFP

Posted on 03/18/2018 9:48:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai

US President Donald Trump “will not succeed” in dividing European nations against one another over trade, German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier warned on Sunday ahead of a visit to Washington.

In the European Union “we are a customs union and act collectively. It cannot be in the interest of the US government to divide Europe, nor will it succeed,” Altmaier told German business daily Handelsblatt. […]

“Companies and consumers on both sides would foot the bill if the US and Europe tumble into a trade war,” Altmaier said.

Meanwhile, countries like China that stand accused of flooding global markets with cheap steel would be “laughing on the sidelines”, he added. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: altmaier; angelamerkel; brexit; china; eurabia; europeanunion; eussr; fourthreich; germany; grexit; merkel; nato; olagantiamerican; peteraltmaier; socialmarketeconomy; tds; unitedkingdom
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To: Olog-hai

All of that, but you never refute the reality of American coming to the rescue of Europe.....

“Lend Lease Act...Normandy, NAfrica, Italy, Convoys to Murmansk, 5th Bomber Group over Europe, The Bulge and liberation of France and into Germany.”

Then you ask for a book list? Do you have no basic knowledge of history?

BTW, I see Pooty-Poot has poisoned yet another. And he is about to sham his way thru another “Election”


61 posted on 03/18/2018 12:48:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: bert
Germany is the EU. It will always stand with itself in that context.
62 posted on 03/18/2018 12:49:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rbmillerjr
You cited “history books” without naming them, so I was just following up on that.

Speaking of books, The Naked Communist was fiercely critical of Lend-Lease in particular (see chapter 8), just as I am critical of the Marshall Plan in this particular FR thread (which was not a rescue of Europe at large any more than Lend-Lease was; I will not deny that the left-wing swamp in the USA came to the rescue of Germany, however).

Just a little presumptuous of you to presume I have any sympathy towards Putin the blasphemer, who had the nerve to compare the Moral Code of the Builder of Communism to the Ten Commandments.
63 posted on 03/18/2018 12:57:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

Yes Europe will be the next Islamic state, Allah Akba.


64 posted on 03/18/2018 1:08:27 PM PDT by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: rbmillerjr; Olog-hai
The problem with the 'coming to the rescue' meme is that implies, whether intentionally or not, that the only motive for US involvement in the European war was altruistic, for the benefit of others, rather than because the US had its own national interests at stake. Machiavelli conclusively demonstrated some 500 years ago that no 'prince' [nation] ever goes to war except in its own national interests. That those interests sometimes temporarily coincide with others, so that alliances are formed, is secondary. Again, whether intentional or not, 'coming to the rescue' implies that those allies (Britain in particular) did nothing to help themselves, which is clearly nonsense.
65 posted on 03/18/2018 1:27:29 PM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Winniesboy

Certainly in the case of the alliance with the USSR, that is applicable.

I will certainly never forget “Very well; alone” and “Keep calm and carry on” (the latter in its original context rather than the multifarious and sometimes insulting parody memes).


66 posted on 03/18/2018 1:35:34 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

The US won’t have to split Europe — the Muslims will do it with ease and then destroy it with an even smaller effort.
Wiedershauen Deutschland, Au revoir la France, Tot ziens Netherlands.


67 posted on 03/18/2018 1:57:41 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

Won’t happen, although it looks like it could in some corners.

The EU is absolutely dedicated to rule by crisis; the rise of “right wing” parties is a calculated one in response to the influx of Mahometans, and the fear of same is also one to enable a shift to the “right” by mainstream parties, thus allowing them to take more and more power. Also, the “Permanent structured cooperation” (PESCO) of the military forces of EU member states (under German command) is continuing apace.


68 posted on 03/18/2018 2:03:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

At this point, we should just tell our Moslems what a wonderful place Germany is and give them each a plane ticket to migrate over there, where they can join their fellow Moslems in establishing their new caliphate. Call it al-Germania, if you will.


69 posted on 03/18/2018 2:09:03 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: Olog-hai
Ignoring them a third time could be fatal.

How? There is hardly the complement of German "alpha males" that there was in the Nazi era, since a great deal of them were killed off in WWII, and if we had a sane immigration policy, the Moslems over there could be prevented from coming over here. So a partial danger, but not necessarily fatal.

70 posted on 03/18/2018 2:12:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: Winniesboy

What is nonsense is denying the factual reality that the US saved the Euro bacon from both the Nazis and then the Soviets.

Northern and Central Europe were gone to the Blitzkrieg. What power was going to be the arsenal of democracy to save them?

Nobody. It was over for them. Britain was spared only because its island nation was harder to take. But they almost lost their entire army at Dunkirk.

Without us, the Euros are speaking German and after many years, maybe worse, by speaking Russian.

You people are not history deniers. You are clearly factual deniers and have little reasoning power.


71 posted on 03/18/2018 3:30:45 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Those were not “alpha males”. No such people blindly follow an evil leader. There are the same kind of people as in the past, over there; far more professional soldiers than the press lets on about, albeit just as ready to “obey orders” as seven decades ago. Ruling by crisis is just that, and it’s always designed to get the people to demand a strong-man leader to “save” them.


72 posted on 03/18/2018 5:16:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rbmillerjr

That’s not the case. Especially given how much collaboration there was in Europe given to both.

It’s also conceivable that there would have been no USSR without the help of the Second Reich, never mind the Fabian sympathizers in Britain.

Ignore Washington’s words at your peril; Wilson and FDR thought they could get away with doing so, almost until it was too late. FDR in particular would have been willing to coexist with a Nazi Europe if it simply refrained from going to war with the USA. And now history is repeating one more time albeit with a different slant; ignoring it this time would be a huge error.


73 posted on 03/18/2018 5:22:06 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai

It is precisely the case, especially considering the small resistance that Europe put up to stop the German Nazis.

The words and timing matter little...but the actions of the US military were the only thing that saved Europe from the Germans and the Soviets.


74 posted on 03/18/2018 6:19:53 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: rbmillerjr

The only thing, eh?

Well, it’s heartening to see one have the same thoughts about the British and Churchill that Obama held. Those 326,000 British troops, sailors and pilots obviously died in vain, yes?


75 posted on 03/18/2018 7:16:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: rbmillerjr
I'm unclear which people you refer to as 'you people'.

Read any objective, reputable history of the Second World War, and you will find nothing to contradict the premiss that Hitler was defeated by an alliance, not by a single nation. (An alliance which, uncomfortable and temporary as it was, included Soviet Russia. Had it not been for Stalingrad and Kursk, there could have been a very different outcome.)

And "Britain was spared only because its island nation was harder to take. But they almost lost their entire army at Dunkirk.". Far from it. I suggest you cast your eye over

Britain's War Machine.

And you forget, inter alia, the Royal Navy, without which D-day would have been impossible (and the total of British and Empire troops on D-day exceeded the total of Americans), not to mention the RAF and the Battle of Britain. The caricature of Britain post-1940 as a hopeless, helpless lost cause which could do nothing to help itself is a fantasy. Not to mention an implied insult to the memory of the 700000 military and 60000 civilians who died defending their country from 1939 onwards.

76 posted on 03/19/2018 1:40:11 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: The Toll

If you’re taking flak you are over the target.

My Pres Trump can try & save Europe too.


77 posted on 03/19/2018 2:12:34 AM PDT by missthethunder
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To: Olog-hai

If you can’t comprehend facts and basic realities of our history, that is on you.

I never said a bad word about our great Brit allies. But, they had no capacity to beat back the Germans in Europe, as they were defending their island Nation from conquest.

The facts are clear that the US saved Europe’s bacon in WWII.

That takes nothing away from the Brits inventing a superior radar system, their common people victory at Dunkirk, and the Battle in the Air over Britain. But that was all in defending themselves. Without US assistance and manpower, Europe speaks German to this day. Simple reality.


78 posted on 03/19/2018 5:50:55 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: Olog-hai

We did it before.


79 posted on 03/19/2018 5:53:35 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Olog-hai
if the US and Europe tumble into a trade war

When you read the crap about starting a trade war when we have been in a trade war for decades you can stop reading. The rest is base on a lie.

80 posted on 03/19/2018 5:56:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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