US 'will fail if it tries to split Europe': Germany

TheLocal.de ^ | 18 March 2018 17:11 CET+01:00 | AFP

[Parmy]

No! WW1. Post WW1 left Germany, Austria and other who sympathized, plus Italy,etc.

[Reily]

Ah!

Sorry I thought you were claiming the Marshall Plan was after WW1!

I misread, completely agree!

Maybe I’d better clean my glasses!

[dfwgator]

Marshall and others of the time recognized that post-war policy led to Naxiism and Facism in Italy. So the idea was to try and avoid a repeat.

The Marshall Plan was driven more out of fear of the Soviet Union.

[Olog-hai]

The Mahometan problem is a deliberate rule-by-crisis tactic. It’s meant to keep the people off-balance while they grab more power at the top.

Germany also ruled by crisis during the Weimar years. They were engaged in flouting the Versailles treaty long before Adolf and his national socialists came on the scene, especially having to do with secret buildup of military armaments. Their buying up of gold reserves is regarded as one of the primary causes of the Great Depression, too; and it was this big gold hoard that helped create the WWII war machine the world came to know and fear.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, although hindsight is 20/20, I tend to favor the Morgenthau Plan.

[Yaelle]

Shut up, Germany. We’re just not that into you.

[Olog-hai]

This was a fear that the left in DC did not themselves have, but exploited in order to solidify their own control as well as aid our “former” enemies in Europe.

[Bookshelf]

The European mention of a trade war would end overnight if Trump threatens the potential 100% tariff on all European wines and spirits.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Olog-hai. The guy's a liar -- the EU is not just a customs union. The Germans and French have both threatened Theresa May, who was handpicked by the anti-Brexiteers to lead the CP in such a way that Brexit is delayed and then prevented. President Trump's negotiating style pushed that whole plan into a wood chipper, and the fact is, I doubt he cares one way or another about the Brexit outcome.

[GoldenState_Rose]

Islamists invaded due to pride-less people like yourself, whose self-loathing has compromised the sacred duty of gatekeeping the treasures of Western civilization. Leaving a spiritual and moral vacuum.

You have allowed Kremlin-type revisionists to strike at your patriotism and hijack the narrative of the 20th Century in favor of the *Stalinist* banner of victory under which Putin and his ilk serve to this day. All too ready to capitalize on the West's vulnerabilities and sabotage its faith in itself.

Self-loathing is also why America went downhill as well. There is no sense nor reverence regarding what the 20th Century was about!

Was the Marshall Plan perfect? No!

Did it save Europe? Yes. Please stop insulting the memory of people like my grandparents who had to endure both Nazi and Soviet terror.

[GoldenState_Rose]

Given the sentiments of people n this board, picking apart our roles in World War II, the Cold War and elsewhere:

At this point we can also tie July 4, 1776 to some grand Masonic globali$t conspiracy and cry for the Confederacy lost to Union socialists in 1865. Good grief.

[The Toll]

There is no Europe.

[Olog-hai]

I recommend you read Germany Plots with the Kremlin by T.H. Tetens. The Cold War was provoked by Adenauer’s Germany, as a ploy to weaken the USA and strengthen both the USSR and his nascent European Union (although to give the advantage to the European combine); it took Reagan’s efforts to push back against this long-standing anti-US collaboration.

I must say that your rapid and hasty presumption that my explaining the motivation behind the EU’s permitting of the Mahometan influx is in any way an approval of their actions is, at best, utterly ridiculous, with all due respect. Where did that come from?

The Marshall Plan “saving” Europe as a whole is an absurd notion; what it did was save Germany and allow it the opportunity to take over Europe economically and politically, while simultaneously weakening our WWII allies on that continent. Now cheering on the Marshall Plan is, with all due respect, self-loathing; it is just as bad as the nonsensical notion of “containing” the USSR that Reagan was the first, if not only, US President to fight against.

[Olog-hai]

With all due respect, you are reading things that are not there. Given this red herring you just posted, I have to wonder what your motivations are.

[GoldenState_Rose]

Olog-hai, there were also numerous landmines and pitfalls in the creation of this great nation in 1776. And pretty much ever since. People call Abe Lincoln a globali$t and traitor at this point... Should we denounce the United States of America for being created? And then preserved?

[GoldenState_Rose]

Lincoln and the Jews: A History

This book celebrates Abrahm Lincoln's championing and having close relationships with Jewish people in an era of intense anti-Semitism in the Western world.

This fact alone will stir some crazies on the web of tying the US Civil War to a Zionist conspiracy and spew more un-American nonsense.

[GoldenState_Rose]

Abraham* his name is Abraham. Conspiracy!

[rbmillerjr]

“I don’t know where that narrative of the USA riding to Europe’s rescue came from.”

People who read history books would disagree with you.

Lend Lease Act...Normandy, NAfrica, Italy, Convoys to Murmansk, 5th Bomber Group over Europe, The Bulge and liberation of France and into Germany.

[redcatcherb412]

Europe seems to be doing a bangup job of self imploding with no help by anyone.

[Olog-hai]

Titles and authors of history books in question?

When we have war declared on us, it is not a case of rescue, but of fighting back. Now if FDR had listened to Churchill, it may be more accurate, although in the context of helping a long-standing ally with whom we have had a special relationship (denied by people like Obama and his ilk); but we had to act when it was almost too late, sadly, in diametric opposition to George Washington’s admonition in his Fifth Annual Address to Congress:

I cannot recommend to your notice measures for the fulfillment of our duties to the rest of the world without again pressing upon you the necessity of placing ourselves in a condition of complete defense and of exacting from them the fulfillment of their duties toward us.

The United States ought not to indulge a persuasion that, contrary to the order of human events, they will forever keep at a distance those painful appeals to arms with which the history of every other nation abounds.

There is a rank due to the United States among nations which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness. If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known that we are at all times ready for war. …

Washington gave that warning in the context of relations with Europe. And twice during the last century, left-leaning Presidents showed weakness towards those selfsame continental European powers, Wilson in a particularly craven showing by getting re-elected on the slogan “He Kept Us Out Of War”. This time around, Trump is forced to fend off the impression that Obama projected to these old enemies.

[bert]

You completely missed the point

The point is trade.

Will France stand with the union when French wine exports to America are threatened? Will Italy stand with the Union when Fiat sales in America are threatened? Will Brussels stand with the union when Chocolate sales to America are threatened?

Will Germany stand with the union when Bayer or Siemens exports to their American plants are threatened?