Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

GUNS AND BILL CLINTON THE BUTCHER OF WACO

Posted on 02/21/2018 11:42:13 AM PST by cradle of freedom

It is time to remember what the Federal Government under the authority of Bill Clinton did to many American citizens during the Waco holocaust. Whole families living in their compound were slaughtered by federal officials. Women and children were burned alive by the Federal Government. The Waco compound was encircled and under seize for many weeks as if it was a medieval city being attacked by an army. The government treated these civilians as if they were a foreign enemy. They used loud noises day and night to psychologically break down the inhabitants which included mothers and children. Tanks crashed against the wooden walls of the compound and finally the building went up in flames incinerating everyone in it.

Some have expressed the belief that we do not need guns to defend ourselves from the power of the government because after all this is America, a first world country that everyone wants to come to. They say we have the ballot and therefore we are safe. But the ballot came very close to electing Hillary Clinton which would have put Bill Clinton the Butcher of Waco back in the White House.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: belongsinchat; guns; parkland; vanity; waco
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last
To: SJSAMPLE

I am watching the mini-series Waco. The assault should be wednesday night.

But on the documentary which is over they said that one of the members who came out after the fire started said he smelled some men spreading gasoline up and down the hall ways.


21 posted on 02/21/2018 12:22:43 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: SJSAMPLE

(ATF and)FBI guys questioned the decision to end it like they did, and so did the local sheriff.

But they still followed orders, didn’t they? At Nuremberg, they still would have been hanged.


22 posted on 02/21/2018 12:25:44 PM PST by beelzepug (The permanent political class that runs this country is...the great(est) danger we face)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

Yes. Bad tactical decisions, but it did have to END.

The remaining followers died because Koresh wanted them to die, not because of FBI tear gas or the assault.

Unfortunately, not that many people were hanged after Nuremberg.


23 posted on 02/21/2018 12:31:45 PM PST by SJSAMPLE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: SJSAMPLE

Really? Those same Davidians who got payouts from the Government? They said nothing until years later, none of them said anything in the immediate aftermath, even though Koresh was very dead.

Then the warrant was invalid and the ATF, should have never been at that residence. If that’s the case, everything that happened after is directly the fault of the government.

So the FBI “getting tired” of someone’s perceived bullshit is a reason to launch an illegal assault on a private residence? I wonder if the FBI will get tired of the bullshit that occurs in the City of Chicago and go clean out the hood? Or get tired of the Bullshit in (Islamic) Dearborn, Michigan, where we know honor killings have occurred.

The same folks were on the ground in Waco, that killed Randy Weaver’s Wife with a bullet to the head, while she held a baby in her arms. I’m not believing the FBI as far as I can throw them and I spent 15 years in Law Enforcement.

Finally, whatever Koresh was or was not, he did not start any of this. The Davidians didn’t attack the government, the government attacked them.


24 posted on 02/21/2018 12:34:04 PM PST by TallahasseeConservative ( Isaiah 40:31)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: gaijin

In Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1878), the Supreme Court commented that drawing and quartering, public dissection, burning alive, or disembowelment constituted cruel and unusual punishment.[


25 posted on 02/21/2018 12:34:26 PM PST by aspasia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

Bingo.


26 posted on 02/21/2018 12:35:28 PM PST by gathersnomoss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: cradle of freedom; kingattax

The Waco Fire took place on April 19th.

April 19th is a Satanic feast day.

The sacrificial element is fire.

Hillary ordered it.

27 posted on 02/21/2018 12:35:34 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gathersnomoss

“David would occasionally leave the camp. So the FBI could not wait for him?”

So did Randy Weaver. The FBI and ATF had him under surveillance for a long time, watching him come and go from town. They deliberately chose to murder him and his family where there would be no witnesses.


28 posted on 02/21/2018 12:35:53 PM PST by beelzepug (The permanent political class that runs this country is...the great(est) danger we face)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SJSAMPLE

1. The inert grenades in the parcel were 100% legal to own and they were not justification for a warrant.

2. The ATF wasn’t serving a search warrant for law enforcement purposes, they were orchestrating a media event to help them justify their budget which Congress was looking to cut.

3. If true, the fact of Koresh molesting underage girls would have been a matter for Texas authorities. The ATF has no mandate to enforce statutory rape laws.

4. The actual recordings from which the FBI supposedly enhanced the dialogue of people inside the house ordering fires to be set is utterly incomprehensible and subsequent forensic attempts to replicate the FBI’s crystal clear recordings led the Congressional committee investigating Waco to conclude that the FBI recordings were ‘not conclusive’ (fake).

Feel free to read the House Report 106-1037 here:

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/106th-congress/house-report/1037/1


29 posted on 02/21/2018 12:54:12 PM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: yarddog

“Yeah the FBI claimed Koresh started the fires.”

Well, there are tapes from inside the building on the day of the fires where Koresh and some of his followers talk about lighting the fires, so you don’t just need to take the FBI’s word for it.

“I also doubt that Koresh molested the girls.”

If he wasn’t molesting girls why did he need to marry multiple underage girls?

Should we also believe the Muslims’ story that Mohammed didn’t molest his underage wife?


30 posted on 02/21/2018 12:57:43 PM PST by Boogieman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TallahasseeConservative

But imagine if Donald Trump had been president when Waco happened? Can you imagine the horror and commotion that would have happened? Donald Trump’s name would forever be held in infamy and he would never have been allowed to get anywhere near the oval office again.


31 posted on 02/21/2018 1:12:37 PM PST by cradle of freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

When Clinton was running for President the first time there were already troublesome stories starting to come into the tabloids and other media. Hillary Clinton got very upset blaming these accounts on a “vast right wing conspiracy” she complained that they have even been blamed for murders, can you imagine that? Waco and Ruby Ridge as well as the patriot movement fit the profile of the Clinton’s stereotyped “vast right wing conspiracy’.


32 posted on 02/21/2018 1:27:48 PM PST by cradle of freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: cradle of freedom

The only terrorists the left ever sees are fellow Americans.


33 posted on 02/21/2018 1:35:49 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gaijin

I love that memorial. Curious what Texans think or thought of their federal government back then?


34 posted on 02/21/2018 1:36:49 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: gathersnomoss

I will never forget WACO. Ruby Ridge. And those bastards pointing guns at Elian Gonzales. Federal Law enforcements finest hours (sarc).


35 posted on 02/21/2018 1:38:19 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: yarddog

I’m with you. Knowing what we know of the FBI role in the Trump dossier I wouldn’t trust them to find a lost kitten. And now they are in charge of the Las Vegas incident. Nothing good (or true) will come from that investigation.


36 posted on 02/21/2018 1:40:02 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: gaijin

Can you find pictures of Elian Goncalez having a gun put in his face by a federal guy forcing him back to Cuba?


37 posted on 02/21/2018 1:43:42 PM PST by cradle of freedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: cradle of freedom; All

Rather than the made for TV documentary, you should review Attorney David J. Hardy’s chronology of events or the 1997 documentary “Waco: The Rules of Engagement”.

As David Hardy states:
1) FBI agents went shooting with David Koresh (who provided Davidian guns and ammo) 9 days before the FBI mass assault.

2) When Koresh found out about the “FBI investigation of unlawfully possessed full auto weapons” he invited them into the compound to inspect ALL weapons and take any FBI believed were questionable.

3) The ONLY reason FBI agents lived to tell about the event was the day of initial assault, they were running out of ammo and in retreat they were stopped by a lake at ~50 yds out on a flat plain with no cover - and the Davidians STOPPED defending themselves (shooting).

David J. Hardy here http://hardylaw.net/waco.html excerpt:

“The 1993 incident outside Waco, Texas, was the bloodiest encounter in the history of Federal law enforcement. By its end in the fire of April 19, nearly a ninety civilians and four law enforcement agents were dead.

The incident originated in an attempt by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to serve search and arrest warrants on a building, known to its residents as Mount Carmel, located in a rural area a few miles outside of Waco, Texas. The operation required mustering appoximately a hundred agents (flown in from sites around the country), and who received military training at Ft. Hood. They travelled in a convoy of sixty vehicles and were supported by three National Guard helicopters and one fixed-wing aircraft, with armored vehicles in reserve.

The official explanation is that the raid was intended to gather evidence in support of suspicion that the residents of Mount Carmel (members of the Branch Davidians, an offshoot of Seventh-Day Adventism), possessed machineguns without the required licenses and tax, and that nothing but overwhelming military force would enable he arrest of their leader, David Koresh, and a search of the residence.

The official version is undercut by BATF’s concession that, when informed of the investigation, Koresh invited agents to come over, look at the firearms, and take any that they might feel were questionable. It is also undercut by a rather embarassing event. Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, we now know how ATF undercover agents investigating the case spent February 19, 1993—nine days before the raid.

They went shooting with David Koresh. He provided the ammunition, and they handed him their guns. No, I am not jesting. And yes, he knew they were agents. Click here for their report.

Even a well-heeled agency does not divert a hundred agents with air support to investigate a single and rather small case—particularly not if a simple audit could resolve the matter.

A different, and less acceptable, motivation appears most likely. At the Federal level, law enforcement operations center upon the annual appropriation process. Anyone who has worked with such an agency (as I did, for nine years) knows that they try to schedule a “showcase” operation, one which will garner national coverage, just before their House Appropriations cycle begins. An agency director loves to begin the hearings with “Typical of the dangerous work undertaken by our agents is ....” Such a showcase move is usually given a suitably dramatic and military-sounding name.

The codename for the Waco raid was “Operation Trojan Horse.” The code for its initiation was “Showtime.” The target date was less than two weeks before BATF’s House Appropriations hearings were scheduled. The team assigned included a Public Information Officer, who made sure to alert newspapers to stand by for a story that weekend. There would indeed be a story—four agents and six civilians would die to make it...”

Also refer to Carlos Ghiglotti (1 of 4 expert witnesses in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by families of murdered Davidians) who mysteriously died (3) or was “incapacitated” (1) in the 30 days pre-trial. Carlos (an expert in FLIR) analysis of FLIR, audio and video recordings synced in time documented that ATF / FBI after filling the building with flammable gas, launched “hot” grenades into the upwind end (35 mph that day) of the wood frame building, one of which embedded on the window frame and ignited the gas. His analysis also revealed Agents used full- auto shooting at Davidian men, women or children who tried to exit the burning building...


38 posted on 02/21/2018 1:44:29 PM PST by CitizenBob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sam Gamgee

And the obfuscation of the law by the Alphabet Agencies continues. It will escalate...


39 posted on 02/21/2018 1:45:55 PM PST by gathersnomoss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: gathersnomoss

I know it will. Some one needs to fight back, or it is going to get much worse.


40 posted on 02/21/2018 1:50:34 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson