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Did The Vegas Shooter Use A Fully Automatic Weapon?
hot air ^ | 10-2-17

Posted on 10/02/2017 8:58:36 AM PDT by doug from upland

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To: Magnum44

Thanks for your thoughts and advice.

I mentioned hotel safes, because someone on one of these threads mentioned gun shows in Vegas as a legitimate reason for having long guns in one of these hotels - in which case, you’re already known as a gun owner to anyone who’s paying attention.

(If you knew my neighborhood, you’d laugh at the idea of a home gun safe providing any security ;-)

Best,
JT


241 posted on 10/02/2017 3:46:12 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Yo-Yo
Larry Elder just reported that LV police identified the weapon as a "bump stock rifle."
242 posted on 10/02/2017 4:13:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: doug from upland
The audio clearly depicts automatic fire from a caliber well under 7.62mm. I suspected from first hearing the audio that the fire was from at least two modified 5.56mm AR's. It turns out that those were mounted on tripods. See:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting/722191001/

243 posted on 10/02/2017 5:09:43 PM PDT by Thud
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To: laplata

He had two weapons modified for full auto, both mounted on tripods.


244 posted on 10/02/2017 5:10:54 PM PDT by Thud
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To: TnTnTn

I have one ... they don’t work that good ... took mine off


245 posted on 10/02/2017 5:11:28 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: Thud

Thanks. Now I hear he had 15 guns in the room and another 20 at home. Total about 35.


246 posted on 10/02/2017 5:13:22 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Given that the Las Vegas police did not break into the perp’s room until 72 minutes after he began firing, I suspect many to most of the fatalities simply bled out pending rescue.


247 posted on 10/02/2017 5:14:17 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud
He had two weapons modified for full auto, both mounted on tripods.

....and 90% of media/internet commandos don't know the difference between monopod, bipod, and tripod.

248 posted on 10/02/2017 7:34:24 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!)
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To: robroys woman

I have to admit that if he injured over 500 and killed over 50, you would think the barrel would be a blob of molten steel, though.
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That was my thought too... he likely used multiple rifles and perhaps wrapped the barrels in wet towels to wick away some of the heat.


249 posted on 10/02/2017 7:49:50 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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To: Thud
He had two weapons modified for full auto, both mounted on tripods.

Where'd you get that from?

250 posted on 10/02/2017 7:53:27 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: precisionshootist

“...No manufactured fully auto weapon has a variable rate such as the one produced in the videos I have seen. ...” [Jarhead9297, post 26]

“..I concur. You can clearly hear the rate of fire slow then speed up in a choppy manner in the later shots. ...” [precisionshootist, post 98]

Neither comment bespeaks a wide enough range of experience.

Rate of fire of a full auto arm is not fixed, but depends greatly on bullet mass and shape, propellant type and amount, ambient temperature, amount and type of lubrication applied, amount of fouling already present, chamber wear state, general wear state of moving parts and magazines. At least.

One day’s spectating at a machine gun shoot will provide ample evidence to the ears that full auto arms of all types can speed up or slow down in the course of just one burst. Doesn’t matter who manufactured them.

I’d suspect full-auto arms of good make, made from quality materials, relatively unworn, properly cleaned and lubricated, firing high-quality ammunition, won’t vary much in firing rate on a given day. That’s what Jarhead9297 has probably experienced.


251 posted on 10/02/2017 9:50:14 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: MileHi

Source listed in my No. 243


252 posted on 10/03/2017 7:25:56 AM PDT by Thud
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To: Thud

Thanks. We’ll see what they show us on the record.


253 posted on 10/03/2017 8:20:46 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Not only that, but strict gun control certainly hasn’t stopped mass casualty attacks in places like Britain and France. For someone with those intentions, building an improvised bomb or renting a truck is much easier, cheaper, and more difficult to detect than buying a machine gun. That would be true even without our current laws on automatic weapons.

This is what is so silly about Brokaw calling our side “emotional,” when his arguments are based on nothing but emotion and his distaste for “adapted military weapons” (whatever those are). They argue for gun control measures like an “assault weapons” ban or “universal” background checks without a shred of proof that those measures would save a single life.


254 posted on 10/03/2017 12:26:40 PM PDT by The Pack Knight
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To: MPB; Lazamataz
Find out what shotgun that is and let us all know...we could either dispel the myth of an easy conversion, or see if it's the type of thing that's technically possible but is going to land you in a heap of trouble.

Talked to him yesterday, he says it's a Saiga shotgun

255 posted on 10/05/2017 9:30:28 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: doug from upland

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One of the weapons photographed had the selector flipper, thus was full auto is some respect, either triplets or full auto.
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256 posted on 10/05/2017 9:33:20 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I own a Saiga. He’s full of shit about ‘turning a screw and it’s automatic’. Tell him Laz is calling him out as a bullshitter.


257 posted on 10/05/2017 10:21:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

And then tell him I’m gonna find him and kick his ass.


258 posted on 10/05/2017 10:22:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The "news" networks and papers are bitter, dangerous enemies of the American people.)
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To: Lazamataz
I’m gonna find him and kick his ass.

Make sure you get the $5 he owes me........

259 posted on 10/05/2017 10:50:03 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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