Posted on 08/14/2017 2:18:10 PM PDT by Drew68
THE Universities are hopeless, students lack even an interest in studying any of these Civil War era figures. Those commies in Charlottesville don’t know the first thing about R.E. Lee.
The best outcome is to get the removed monuments moved out of the Communist-infested cities to a new location.
“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”
bind up the nation’s wounds? It is the LEFT that is rejecting Lincoln’s America.
I don’t know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you. This has been explained to you numerous times on this forum. The southern slaveocracy didn’t like the results of an election and started a rebellion to form their own country. Whether the soldier’s care about slavery or not their government sure did. So much so that when the “black” republican was elected they rebelled.
Now I do agree with you that there is a natural right to rebellion/revolution. However, when you appeal to force of arms as the confederacy did you better make damn sure you can win.
We also have the right to determine if a rebellion/revolution is for a good reason(s) or not. The southern rebellion was started for horrible reasons and should be judged as bad as the Bolshevik and Iranian revolutions. Luckily it didn’t succeed.
The same talking points have been parroted to me over and over, yes.
The southern slaveocracy didnt like the results of an election and started a rebellion to form their own country.
But this point makes it sound like they weren't still going to have a slaveocracy if they had remained in the Union. In other words, it is a complete distortion of the relevant point.
The Union was okay with a slaveocracy that they controlled. They were not okay with a slaveocracy they didn't control. The point here is that it wasn't about the slaves, it was about who was going to control the money they created.
It is dishonest to claim credit for eradicating a condition that you would have continued had control remained in your hands.
Whether the soldiers care about slavery or not their government sure did.
The Union government cared about the money the South would produce that wouldn't go through their hands. The Southern produced commerce from Europe was paying for 70-80% of all the Federal taxes in the Union in 1860. It was also pushing 238 million dollars through the New York economy. Virtually the entire shipping industry of the United States was tied up in shipping Southern products to Europe.
Now I do agree with you that there is a natural right to rebellion/revolution. However, when you appeal to force of arms as the confederacy did you better make damn sure you can win.
When you have been told that a fleet of Ships has been sent to attack you, would you wait for them to show up and fire at you? You could either run away with your tail between your legs, or you could neutralize the threat to your back before the threat to your front arrives to fire at you.
We also have the right to determine if a rebellion/revolution is for a good reason(s) or not.
The British did not think we had good reasons to throw off the allegiance of the King. I would say "good reasons" are in the eye of the beholder.
The southern rebellion was started for horrible reasons and should be judged as bad as the Bolshevik and Iranian revolutions. Luckily it didnt succeed.
And yet the Southern continued participation in the Union complete with it's slaveocracy was the default condition. Horrible if the South has independence, but completely tolerable if the North retains control of Southern commerce.
Now why is it horrible for the South to be independent, but completely acceptable if they remained in the Union?
How do you deal with such cognitive dissonance on such a fundamental question?
there was a reconciliation and the states were re-admitted. And Reconstruction.
R.E. Lee supported President Johnson’s plan of Presidential Reconstruction that took effect in 186566.
On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States.
Jeff Davis was among a committee of 13 U.S. senators who attempted to find a suitable compromise after South Carolina left the Union in December 1860
Davis: His U.S. citizenship wasnt restored until 1978
That's rather amusing. It means that so far as the US Government was concerned, he really did gain independence from the US. So for 117 years, he was a Citizen of the CSA. :)
And after all that trouble Lincoln went to to refuse to admit they ever left.
Something drastic must be done. These schools are nothing but anti-American training grounds for radical leftists with the sensibility of Hitleresque or Stalinist-Leninist street thugs.
Robert E. Lee is an odd hero for the Klan and Neo-confederates.
he generally opposed slavery
he opposed secession
he supported the reconciliation and reconstruction and did much to bring the Union back together
which is why he was revered in the North and the South
He opposed the Klan and supported equality of the races after the war
The stars and stripes were his flag after the war. Not the Confederate flag
The Stars and Stripes are our only flag. The lefties have their rainbow flag. McAulliffe and company have more in common with the Radical Republicans bent on vengeance.
William Tecumseh Sherman belongs on the UVA campus
It is not clear Lincoln was fighting to destroy slavery. Maybe he was.
If he was, he was fighting to overthrow the U.S. constitution with violence - the constitution he twice took an oath to protect and defend as president.
This will be a surprise to many, but slavery was enshrined in the U.S. constitution from the beginning by an affirmative vote of New York, New Jersey, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Delaware, Rhode Island and Maryland.
And, oh yes, Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Georgia.
Jefferson Davis could have been convicted of treason upon “the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.”
History shows this was too high a standard for the prosecution to meet so the trumped-up charges against Davis were dropped.
And a good thing too. If Davis had been subjected to Victors' Justice, I don't think the South would have been so quick to forgive and forget the war crimes of Lincoln, Sherman, and others.
It takes a peculiar sort of feller to so completely turn rhyme and reason on its head - but you are certainly are peculiar.
Only someone like you could purport that turning ones back on the constitution and breaking the pact that drew this nation together could ever possibly be a constitutional act. Or that a person who fought to defend the constitution from sedition and insurrection could ever possibly be considered attempting to “overthrow the U.S. constitution”.
Or that a constitution “enshrines” a peculiarity that it doesn’t even identify be name. Ridiculous? Of course. Perverse? You bet. Par for the course? Unfortunately yea.
Yea - like they've done so well to get over losing.
No, it means that he was a man without a country for all those years.
Does that mean all the CA Liberals pushing for Calexit are Traitors too?
If so, why hasn’t the Federal Government (The Union) arrested them, charged them and put them in Prison?
Just making conversation. LOL
“If Davis had been subjected to Victors’ Justice, I don’t think the South would have been so quick to forgive and forget the war crimes of Lincoln, Sherman, and others”
I don’t are how you feel about Lincoln’s decision to kill 600,000 Americans, that right there is funny.
Note to file: The word “are” should have been “care” in my previous post.
Fixing one F-up doesn’t fix your central F-up.
My position is that the Foundation document of this country proclaims that people have a right to Independence if they wish it, and that this right come from "Nature and Nature's God..."
I just take the position that the founders meant what they said when they formed this nation based on that principle.
GD Civil War BS still causing trouble. Ugh. Democrats and Democrats fighting over statues of Democrats and they blame the Republican President.
With so many young people having grown up completely ignorant about American history, especially Civil War history it’s no wonder that people equate the Confederate flag and symbols as being...RACIST and Politically Incorrect for our era without having the once recognized perspective and even respect (though they were wrong) for the South.
This is called (what we are slowly losing) tolerance and reason, the foundation of this Union and why the Civil War was fought in the first place!
The great bogey man of our era is not following Orwellian Newspeak or ThoughtPolice agendas and going with the anti-intellectual, anti-Democratic and very Fascist-like immediate object to be ridiculed and destroyed for the sake of the Liberal masses.
That they have deemed these long honored symbols as modern machinations of evil, something that must be torn down and destroyed without understanding the implication spells disaster for this country.
Even as a Yankee, I recognize the huge contribution of the South, her fighters and her Generals. The great conflict ended and it took more than 100 years to heal.
We thought we were making great progress since 1964 only to now see a major reversal. Only now it’s all turned on it’s head. The Anti_fascists are now the Fascists they condemn and they know it, yet they keep on agitation because somebody not to their liking was elected President.
Much of this upheaval was spawned by the previous President with his reverse-racial discrimination agendas and disrespect for the nation he led.
We are only now beginning to see the built up hatred and resentment he planted now bearing fruit.
This is not President Trumps fault but his predecessor.
WWI, WWII, Korean War and the Viet Nam War Memorials are next!
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