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Council president wants Confederate monuments off city property (Jacksonville, Florida)
News4Jax ^ | August 14th, 2017 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 08/14/2017 2:18:10 PM PDT by Drew68

Jacksonville mayor says if City Council passes it, he'll consider signing bill

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - The president of Jacksonville City Council on Monday asked several city departments conduct an inventory of all Confederate monuments, memorials and markers on public property with the intention of asking that they be removed.

"At the end of the day, I’d like to move them," President Anna Brosche said. "I’d like to make sure that we can appreciate the history and heritage of what these memorials, monuments and markers mean to city of Jacksonville. At the same time, also realize that these are symbols that evoke a significant amount of negative emotion for some in our community."

Brosche said her action comes after the "horrific and unacceptable incidents" that occurred in Charlottesville, Virginia, and follows the actions of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and, most recently, the Florida Senate, who removed Confederate items from public places in Tallahassee.

She directed the Parks and Recreation Department and planning division's Historic Preservation Section to inventory of all Confederate monuments, memorials and markers on public property.

"Upon completion of the inventory, I intend to propose legislation to move Confederate monuments, memorials, and markers from public property to museums and educational institutions, where they can be respectfully preserved and historically contextualized," Brosche said in a statement announcing her plan. "It is important to never forget the history of our great city; and, these monuments, memorials and markers represent a time in our history that caused pain to so many."

Mayor Lenny Curry said Monday that the Virginia tragedy was awful and he respects the City Council's role in making law. If Council passes a bill removing the statues, he will review it and decide whether he will sign it.

"I respect the Council’s role in moving forward with priorities that are their priorities that may not be mine," Curry said. "Look, you can’t be all things to all people. And I’m very focused on a city that’s fighting its way out of violence because public safety was gutted."

Community efforts to have the Confederate soldier marker in Hemming Park removed, as well as similar statutes removed and Confederate Park renamed have been gathering momentum.

After Saturday's deadly violence where a car was driven into a group of people protesting a white supremacist rally in defense of a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee on Charlottesville property, Take 'Em Down Jax held an emergency rally that night outside the Jacksonville Landing.

“This hate, we have to confront it. If we don’t, it won't go away," Wells Todd said, a member of Take 'Em Down Jax, told News4Jax earlier this summer.

Lakey Love, with the American Civil Liberties Union, agrees that the monuments should be gone.

"I stand for taking them down. They represent white supremacy, a history of racism -- internment of black and brown people," Love said. "I’m all for taking down anything that represents a historical path that marginalizes people."

There are also people in Jacksonville who oppose moving the statues.

"And even though we might not agree with what has happened in the past, I think it’s still part of history and we should not destroy it," said Brian Buschow said.

Dave Nelson, who sells Confederate historical memorabilia at his store, Uncle Davey’s Americana, supports the historical markers, but not the white nationalists who are linking themselves to Confederate history.

"As far as removing the monuments, that’s very sad because these are monuments to veterans or Confederate soldiers. The U.S. Congress said that all veterans are U.S. veterans," Nelson said.

Because most of these monuments are well over 100 years old, some, including Councilman Jim Love, have speculated that they can't be moved without breaking them.

How other Florida cities are dealing with Confederate monuments

Some other Florida cities have either removed Confederate markers or are in the process of doing so. Work removing "Old Joe" from outside the Alachua County Administration building in Gainesville began Sunday and continued Monday.

The statue is being returned to the local chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, which erected it in 1904. The County officials said they did not know where the statue would go, the Gainesville Sun reported.

In June, the city of Orlando removed a statue depicts Johnny Reb -- a symbol of the Confederacy and its soldiers -- from Lake Eola Park. The statue was moved to Greenwood Cemetery, where it will be kept in a section dedicated to Confederate veterans.

In Tampa, a passer-by called 911 after seeing that paint had been tossed on and around the Confederate memorial's columns and derogatory comments were scrawled in paint, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said in a news release. The site is on private property near Tampa on Florida's west coast.

Hillsborough County commissioners voted on July 19 to remove a different monument in the county, this one in downtown Tampa and on county property, after several heated meetings filled with public discussion.

The 60-foot-tall granite column, topped by a bronze statue of a Confederate soldier, has been in Jacksonville's Hemming Plaza for nearly 120 years. It’s the site of a monument to Women of the Confederacy that was dedicated in 1915 and a historical marker placed by the Sons of Confederate Veterans to commemorate the May 1914 national reunion of Confederate veterans that took place in Jacksonville.

In March, the Jacksonville City Council Neighborhoods Committee asked the full council to withdraw a bill to designate Hemming Park’s confederate monument as a historical landmark.

Others markers in parks and public areas around the city include a tribute to the women of the Confederacy in Confederate Park and the Gen. Joseph Finnegan grave monument in Jacksonville's Old City Cemetery.


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To: Red Badger
What makes them think that removing the statues will make things all hunky-dory from now on?..................

It's not about statues.

It's about bending the knee.

When the statues are gone, they'll find something else to take away, just because.

21 posted on 08/14/2017 2:37:49 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68
"At the end of the day, I’d like to move them," President Anna Brosche said. "I’d like to make sure that we can appreciate the history and heritage of what these memorials, monuments and markers mean to city of Jacksonville.

Betch 90% of students and 80% of adults couldn't tell you who these statues represent.

22 posted on 08/14/2017 2:38:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Drew68

Well, you can’t name a school after Lynch any longer.


23 posted on 08/14/2017 2:39:22 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: rockrr

And WHO will be the next group of Veterans that make someone uncomfortable needs to be stopped NOW


24 posted on 08/14/2017 2:40:38 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Reno89519

When will this end? they find it easy now with these because any objection results in a racist label. Jefferson had slaves, George Washington had slaves they are marching in this direction to rewrite history


25 posted on 08/14/2017 2:41:16 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Trump plays chess the rest are still playing checkers)
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To: rockrr
The U.S. Congress said that all veterans are U.S. veterans," Nelson said.

And traitors.

Or are we glossing over that part?

FWIW, I'm not inclined to do that.

26 posted on 08/14/2017 2:42:13 PM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: Drew68

OR....they will want to erect NEW statues to THEIR heroes.....Che, Malcolm, Michael Brown...............


27 posted on 08/14/2017 2:42:46 PM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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To: hal ogen

This woman is an idiot and fascist. What a snowflake-pimping fool. What ever happened to Freedom of Speech and History? What kind of morons elect this type of loser?


This might help explain it: Anna Lopez Brosche is her full name.

Jax is changing. Fast. A lot less southern and a lot more generic Florida. A lot folks here can’t wait to flush history and traditional values down the memory hole.


28 posted on 08/14/2017 2:44:17 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: mewzilla

Benedict Arnold was a vet, too.


29 posted on 08/14/2017 2:44:57 PM PDT by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: Drew68

Stalin and Mao erased history. It’s good for the revolution to create an all new reality.


30 posted on 08/14/2017 2:46:18 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Arm_Bears

If Jacksonville City Council President Anna Lopez Brosche doesn’t like it here, she should return to the country of her heritage.


Yeah, I noticed that too. A lot of these new transplants just can’t wait to airbrush history and conform to leftist norms. Another example is the long running homo ordnance saga.


31 posted on 08/14/2017 2:46:44 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Drew68
I’d like to make sure that we can appreciate the history and heritage of what these memorials, monuments and markers mean to city of Jacksonville. At the same time, also realize that these are symbols that evoke a significant amount of negative emotion for some in our community

100% hypocrisy!

32 posted on 08/14/2017 2:51:08 PM PDT by libertylover (In 2016 small-town America got tired of being governed by people who don't know a boy from a girl.)
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To: hal ogen

“This woman is an idiot and fascist. What a snowflake-pimping fool. What ever happened to Freedom of Speech and History? What kind of morons elect this type of loser?”

Western civilization did not survive feminism and the boomer generation.


33 posted on 08/14/2017 2:55:15 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America. Treat them accordingly.)
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To: Drew68

The UK has had a turbulent history, but it reveres all of it on the theory ‘Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it’.

History is our heritage. Oliver Cromwell is an example of why a nation does not erase its roots or it will rot.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Oliver-Cromwell/

Popular culture

Despite his death over 350 years ago, to this day Cromwell continues to provoke a strong reaction following his significant role in a dramatic and troubled period of British history. He has prompted numerous monuments, films, television and radio programmes and been broadly referenced throughout popular culture, from being the codeword to warn of an imminent German invasion of Britain in 1940 to Monty Python’s 1989 Oliver Cromwell and more recently the 2004 single by Morrissey, Irish Blood, English Heart. However Winston Churchill’s suggestion to name the British battleship HMS Oliver Cromwell when he was First Lord of the Admiralty did not gain royal approval, funnily enough!

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Winston Churchill was right!!!!”


34 posted on 08/14/2017 2:58:48 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers)
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To: Reno89519
Maybe get back to lettered and numbered streets? That would be easier anyway.

Nobody needs Ten Commandments or Crosses on public land anyways. People have a right to not have to look at offensive symbols.

35 posted on 08/14/2017 3:01:21 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Drew68
Richmond was the seat of the confederacy and should be razed to the ground as soon as possible.

Why stop there?

All blacks with the last name of Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, and White should have to change their names to something less racist.

36 posted on 08/14/2017 3:02:35 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: Drew68
It's not about statues.

It's about bending the knee.

When the statues are gone, they'll find something else to take away, just because.

You have this right. It is about submission and nothing else.

37 posted on 08/14/2017 3:02:58 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Drew68
Another member of the McCain/Graham/Collins/Murkowski wing of the GOPe:
"Anna Brosche is a Republican at-large member of the Jacksonville City Council in Florida"
She has no skin in the game. I mean it's not her heritage. So solly.
38 posted on 08/14/2017 3:03:09 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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To: sodpoodle
did not gain royal approval, funnily enough!

They're still sore over one lousy decapitation. Heck, Cromwell wouldn't even make the leaderboard at an ISIS tournament these days.

39 posted on 08/14/2017 3:03:59 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: AmusedBystander
All blacks with the last name of Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, and White should have to change their names to something less racist.

= = = = = = = = = = = =

Why Stop There?

Maybe they just should be eliminated entirely so as not to embarrass them or others anymore.....(sarcasm)

40 posted on 08/14/2017 3:05:35 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98)""There is more to life than being a passenger. Amelia Earhart")
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