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Smokers Continue to Cost All of Us More Than All Of Obamacare
valuewalk ^ | July 29, 2017 | JOHN F. BANZHAF

Posted on 07/30/2017 8:41:21 AM PDT by Drango

Government cracks down on tobacco but there is better way to cut health-care costs

The federal government has announced plans to reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes in a completely untested attempt to reduce smoking, but this approach will take many years to even be put into effect, and such an approach ignores many other proven techniques which will work more quickly, and could slash health-care costs now, says public interest law professor John Banzhaf.

Banzhaf has been called “The Man Behind the Ban on Cigarette Commercials,” “The Law Professor Who Masterminded Litigation Against the Tobacco Industry,” and “a Driving Force Behind the Lawsuits That Have Cost Tobacco Companies Billions of Dollars.”

The approach announced Friday by the Food and Drug Administration [FDA] involves two different sequential rulemaking proceedings, a process which will take many years even to put a new rule into place, and one likely to be delayed even more by the inevitable litigation.

The FDA proposal also not only omitted for the nicotine-reduction requirement so-called e-cigarettes, a growing source of nicotine and nicotine addiction in both children and adults, but also extended until 2021 the time for manufactures of this deadly and addictive product to submit applications.

The announcement that the government plans to regulate nicotine in tobacco cigarettes, but not e-cigarettes, and to give e-cigarette manufactures years more time to submit their applications, was made by FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who, coincidentally, was previously on the board of e-cigarette maker Kure.

Ironically, there are many other actions the federal government could take which would have a much bigger and more immediate effect, says Banzhaf, noting the increased pressure to do something about rising health-care premiums now that efforts to pass health-care reform legislative have collapsed. Here’s why.

The American Lung Association estimates that smoking costs the American economy about $322 billion a year. This includes over $175 billion in direct medical care for adults, but does not include the huge increased indirect costs such has higher numbers of complications from surgery, delayed healing, etc.

Most of this alarming cost is now being borne by nonsmoking taxpayers in the form of higher taxes (to pay for Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs) as well as ever-escalating health-care costs (in the form of higher premiums, changing deductibles, etc.).

Since the Congressional Budget Office [CBO] estimates that Obamacare would cost about $1.34 trillion over the next decade – just under $140 billion/yr – reducing smoking could cover the entire cost of any new health plan – including many times over the costs attributable to pre-existing conditions – without using taxpayers’ money, or imposing higher insurance rates on the great majority of Americans who do not smoke.

Indeed, notes Banzhaf, since neither Obamacare nor any of the major Republican approaches to change it actually reduce health-care costs. but rather simply try to shift the huge existing burden, doing something like reducing smoking may be the only way to reduce health-care costs which are now imposed on policy holders, taxpayers, medical device makers, and others.

Here are several ways it could be done much more quickly and effectively than the totally untried long-term technique of reducing the nicotine concentrations in tobacco cigarettes.

One simple measure would be to raise the federal cigarette tax from its current level of $1.01/pack – a rate which has remained unchanged since 2009.

The Congressional Budget Office has recommended an increase of fifty cents per pack – an amount many studies have shown would significantly reduce the rate of smoking, and the huge medical costs imposed on the American economy, by the mere fifteen percent of adult population which still smokes – and an increase of one dollar per pack would have an even larger effect on reducing unnecessary health-care costs.

Interestingly, the CBO noted as one reason for raising the tax that “tobacco consumers may underestimate the addictive power of nicotine and the harm that smoking causes.”

Numerous studies have shown again and again that significant increases in cigarette tax rates are one of the most effective ways to help persuade smokers to quit.

Unlike most government anti-smoking programs which cost millions to hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars, the cost of using this very effective technique is zero; or even less than zero, since net revenue increases even after making allowance for the reduction in the number of smokers.

Prohibiting smoking in workplaces and public places is another technique which has been proven to be very effective in reducing the rates of smoking and, like increasing taxes, is one of the few measures which cost taxpayers nothing.

Yet more than forty percent of the population live in a jurisdiction which does not yet have a comprehensive smoking law prohibiting smoking in workplaces, restaurants, and bars.

The federal government could remedy that problem, and immediately slash smoking rates, simply by adopting a federal clean indoor air act similar to that proven to be so effective in many states.

Alternatively, much the same result could be achieved without the need for any action by Congress by providing strong incentives for jurisdictions which do not now have comprehensive smoking restrictions to adopt them.

For example, the Department of Health and Human Services [HHS], which includes the FDA, could simply adopt a policy of giving priority in awarding health-related grants to jurisdictions which protect nonsmokers – and thereby also help persuade smokers to quit – by having clean indoor air restrictions in place.

The keen competition for these billions in grants would provide a very strong incentive for these remaining jurisdictions to join the remainder of the country, and save money, by prohibiting smoking.

A third technique would be to rescind guidance under Obamacare which requires companies to permit smokers to avoid the fifty percent smoker surcharge Banzhaf helped get included under Obamacare by simply spending a few hours each year in smoking withdrawal classes.

Congress intended to impose personal responsibility on smokers, the fifteen percent of the adult population which impose an unnecessary $322 billion dollar a year cost on all taxpayers, and not to let them skirt this requirement by attending a class or two, argues Banzhaf.

The current health-care costs and medical expense crisis cannot be solved, or even significantly reduced, simply by shifting the new costs of insuring tens of millions of previously uninsured Americans to other entities such as middle class workers, hospitals, medical device makers, etc., notes Banzhaf.

Nor will tinkering around the edges – adopting electronic medical care records, improving record keeping, reducing unspecified “waste,” etc. – do much to solve the underlying problems, he says.

“It’s obviously far more effective to prevent a heart attack, lung cancer, or stroke from ever happening – e.g. by reducing smoking – than to treat it, no matter how effective the treatment might be.”

The best and most effective way to attack the health-care cost crisis is to recognize that so much of it is caused by smoking, and to start imposing personnel responsibility on the fifteen percent of American adults who continue smoking, expecting nonsmokers to absorb the cost, subsidize their insurance, etc., he says.


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To: vooch

“that might change behavior quicker than any gov’t “plan”

There are unfortunate side effects to changing behavior. Are you going to “grandfather” in reformed smokers, how are you going to determine if the medical problem was caused by smoking and not aggravated by other things, who is going to make these decisions......?

I’m a reformed smoker and haven’t had anything for over 20 years. But I am also both asthmatic and COPD effected. I also have heart disease, high BP, diabetes, and am home bound by the VA. (Means I have, at least, two separate illness over 100% determined)

My illnesses were caused by military actions of being caught by airborne agents such as agent orange in Vietnam, a few different types of weapons in the middle east, and 27 years of chamber work with normally either real tear gas or camphor for training and instructing.

I may be an extreme, but there are others out there already affected that are a lot like me. Where do they stand. And I can promise you as long as the government gets tax income from something, they are not going to stop it. They are not raising the price to deter people from smoking. They are creating more tax revenue.

They always say they are trying to protect us from ourselves. Why? The medical field already had a system to create behavioral modification. It was called a bill. Now with the government changing the system, they are creating a way to continue the habit, not stop it. If it was that bad, they ban it. But the current tax revenue is around $14 billion and was as high as $17 billion in 2010. Yes, we have less smokers, but Uncle Sugar balanced the loss off with higher taxes.

They had the same thing with alcohol. And they banned it. But you’ll notice they now tax the hell out of it and make a bundle of cash. These are two of their favorite cash cows. You won’t stop it, not as long as the government can make money out of it.

rwood


61 posted on 07/30/2017 9:45:41 AM PDT by Redwood71
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To: Drango

I have worked in the ER for over 20 years, and this article is total BS. The main cause of the health-care crisis is OBESITY and drug abuse, not smoking. I see people younger and younger (teens, 20’s) who have diabetes (and all the complications that go with it) because of being too fat! Obesity is a far greater problem in this country than smoking!


62 posted on 07/30/2017 9:48:40 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Drango

.the fifteen percent of the adult population which impose an unnecessary $322 billion dollar a year cost on all taxpayers,

COULD the SAME hold true for Grossly Obese people?


63 posted on 07/30/2017 9:48:48 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: kaila
A pot smoker puffs about 3 times to get high.

It depends on the quality of the dope. Pot smokers inhale as deeply as cig smokers and then hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Been there done that. If they are going to pick on tobacco smokers they should do the same for all smokers of anything. And if this is truly about health, which apparently it is not, they should pick on drinkers, fast food eaters, motorcyclists, skydivers, hang gliders, base jumpers, bungee jumpers, scuba divers, surfers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

64 posted on 07/30/2017 9:49:14 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (For the sake of His sorrowful passion have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

“Less nicotine. So 1 pack a day smokers go to 2 or 3 packs per day. Brilliant.”

Yeah, that’s a win-win! Both the government and the tobacco companies win!
As far as health care is concerned, tell the Medicare smokers that they won’t get care for any health-related problems that are directly attributable to their smoking. It won’t get all the smoking-caused illnesses, but it will get a big chunk of them.


65 posted on 07/30/2017 9:52:05 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: uncbob

“They die younger so they don’t deplete social security”


Some do,some don’t.

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66 posted on 07/30/2017 9:52:32 AM PDT by Mears
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To: Gerish

Obesity is a huge issue, and this whole fat acceptance movement is crazy.


67 posted on 07/30/2017 9:52:45 AM PDT by kaila
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To: sargon

Well said. Self righteous do-good ears can go to hell. And, if we are ever successful in restoring the rule of law and the constitution the federal government won’t be able to endlessly bother our citizens at the behest of self righteous busybodies who use the government as a club to force their will upon us. I for one a sick of it.


68 posted on 07/30/2017 9:52:50 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: mrsmith

“The American Lung Association estimates that smoking costs the American economy... some self serving amount they make up out of thin air.”

Irrational comments, you must be a smoker!


69 posted on 07/30/2017 9:53:51 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: vooch

I don’t even know why smokers are allowed to get subsidized insurance under Obamacare.


70 posted on 07/30/2017 9:54:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (July 24 is National Tequila Day...CELEBRATE!!!)
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To: vette6387

It reminds me of the low flow showers and toilets. You have to do 2 flushes to get the job done and also prolong your showering time to get clean.


71 posted on 07/30/2017 9:54:52 AM PDT by kaila
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To: Abby4116

“Bill Clinton claims he didn’t inhale when he smoked pot, in order to distance himself from “pot smokers”. Most inhale pot.”

Yeah, and he also told Juanita Broadrick that she didn’t have to worry about getting pregnant by him because he was “shooting blanks.”


72 posted on 07/30/2017 9:55:32 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Drango

How quickly we forget about the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement of 1998, a minimum of 206 billion dollars to the states over 25 years. All that money could have invested to pay for future health costs of smokers, instead it was treated as “free money” and used to balance state budgets and float bond projects.

It’s amazing that the hatred on this board towards smokers is rivaled only by that of liberals for Trump supporters. smh


73 posted on 07/30/2017 9:56:30 AM PDT by LSAggie (Happy Birthday, America!)
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To: MarMema

“The ones I see and just described are on EBT and medicaid, get meals on wheels, have dogs who get no vet care at all. “

How do you know that the dogs get no vet care and what on earth would that have to do with smoking anyway????

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74 posted on 07/30/2017 9:56:55 AM PDT by Mears
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To: PJ-Comix
I don’t even know why smokers are allowed to get subsidized insurance under Obamacare.

I don’t even know why (fat-asses) are allowed to get subsidized insurance under Obamacare.

I don’t even know why (drinkers) are allowed to get subsidized insurance under Obamacare.

I don’t even know why (old farts) are allowed to get subsidized insurance under Obamacare.

75 posted on 07/30/2017 9:56:59 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Drango

Ever notice that there is more opposition to smoking cigarettes than there is to smoking marijuana.


76 posted on 07/30/2017 9:57:48 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: Drango

You love you some gubmint, don’t you?


77 posted on 07/30/2017 10:00:06 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Drango
Raising taxes on cigs doesn't work. Gregoire did that in Wash. St. All that did was drive the smokers to the Indian smoke shacks where the taxes and therefore prices are less.

Furthermore, an addicted smoker with starve his/her children before giving up smokes.

78 posted on 07/30/2017 10:01:42 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Drango
the last year i worked, my company charged an additional fee over and above the premium, because i smoked.

These people need to start talking with each other to get their facts together. CDC says smoking has a 170 billion dollar direct medical cost.

Note the CDC concrete definition of a current smoker:
*Current smokers are defined as persons who reported smoking at least 100 cigarettes during their lifetime and who, at the time they participated in a survey about this topic, reported smoking every day or some days.

2015(population 320 million) smoking is down 6% in U.S. since 2005.(population 295 million) based on adult smoker numbers per hundred. It seems people smoking is being reduced year over year, yet CDC reports that 480,000 people in the US die each year from smoking . It used to be only 400,000...a figure that's been used since I was a little younger, but today's figure now includes deaths from "2nd hand" smoke.

CDC continues to make smoking causative for things the WHO considers it contributory.
79 posted on 07/30/2017 10:10:27 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: vooch
But the problem with your argument is that even if they quite smoking that does not mean their rates will drop.

Once you have a diagnosis as being a smoker or having an illness that is considered permanent you don't get a benefit for it ever, for getting it under control

80 posted on 07/30/2017 10:11:07 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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