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Are We Nearing Civil War?
Townhall.com ^ | June 13, 2017 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/13/2017 7:18:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

President Trump may be chief of state, head of government and commander in chief, but his administration is shot through with disloyalists plotting to bring him down.

We are approaching something of a civil war where the capital city seeks the overthrow of the sovereign and its own restoration.

Thus far, it is a nonviolent struggle, though street clashes between pro- and anti-Trump forces are increasingly marked by fistfights and brawls. Police are having difficulty keeping people apart. A few have been arrested carrying concealed weapons.

That the objective of this city is to bring Trump down via a deep state-media coup is no secret. Few deny it.

Last week, fired Director of the FBI James Comey, a successor to J. Edgar Hoover, admitted under oath that he used a cutout to leak to The New York Times an Oval Office conversation with the president.

Goal: have the Times story trigger the appointment of a special prosecutor to bring down the president.

Comey wanted a special prosecutor to target Trump, despite his knowledge, from his own FBI investigation, that Trump was innocent of the pervasive charge that he colluded with the Kremlin in the hacking of the DNC.

Comey's deceit was designed to enlist the police powers of the state to bring down his president. And it worked. For the special counsel named, with broad powers to pursue Trump, is Comey's friend and predecessor at the FBI, Robert Mueller.

As Newt Gingrich said Sunday: "Look at who Mueller's starting to hire. ... (T)hese are people that ... look to me like they're ... setting up to go after Trump ... including people, by the way, who have been reprimanded for hiding from the defense information into major cases. ...

"This is going to be a witch hunt."

Another example. According to Daily Kos, Trump planned a swift lifting of sanctions on Russia after inauguration and a summit meeting with Vladimir Putin to prevent a second Cold War.

The State Department was tasked with working out the details.

Instead, says Daniel Fried, the coordinator for sanctions policy, he received "panicky" calls of "Please, my God, can you stop this?"

Operatives at State, disloyal to the president and hostile to the Russia policy on which he had been elected, collaborated with elements in Congress to sabotage any detente. They succeeded.

"It would have been a win-win for Moscow," said Tom Malinowski of State, who boasted last week of his role in blocking a rapprochement with Russia. State employees sabotaged one of the principal policies for which Americans had voted, and they substituted their own.

Not in memory have there been so many leaks to injure a president from within his own government, and not just political leaks, but leaks of confidential, classified and secret documents. The leaks are coming out of the supposedly secure investigative and intelligence agencies of the U.S. government. The media, the beneficiaries of these leaks, are giving cover to those breaking the law. The real criminal "collusion" in Washington is between Big Media and the deep state, colluding to destroy a president they detest and to sink the policies they oppose.

Yet another example is the unfolding "unmasking" scandal.

While all the evidence is not yet in, it appears an abnormal number of conversations between Trump associates and Russians were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies.

On orders higher up, the conversations were transcribed, and, contrary to law, the names of Trump associates unmasked.

Then those transcripts, with names revealed, were spread to all 16 agencies of the intel community at the direction of Susan Rice, and with the possible knowledge of Barack Obama, assuring some would be leaked after Trump became president.

The leak of Gen. Michael Flynn's conversation with the Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, after Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for the hacking of the DNC, may have been a product of the unmasking operation. The media hit on Flynn cost him the National Security Council post.

Trump has had many accomplishments since his election. Yet his enemies in the media and their deep state allies have often made a purgatory of his presidency.

What he and his White House need to understand is that this is not going to end, that this is a fight to the finish, that his enemies will not relent until they see him impeached or resigning in disgrace.

To prevail, Trump will have to campaign across this country and wage guerrilla war in this capital, using the legal and political weapons at his disposal to ferret out the enemies within his own government.

Not only is this battle essential, if Trump hopes to realize his agenda, it is winnable. For the people sense that the Beltway elites are cynically engaged in preserving their own privileges, positions and power.

If the president cannot rewrite Obamacare or achieve tax reform, he should not go around the country in 2018 wailing about Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. They are not the real adversaries. They are but interchangeable parts.

He should campaign against the real enemies of America First by promising to purge the deep state and flog its media collaborators.

Time to burn down the Bastille.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: comeyhearings; coup; cwii; cwiiping; deepstate; fbi; investigation; jamescomey; patbuchanan; presidenttrumpadmin; russia; shtf; trumprussia
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To: central_va
Why? Do the police go away?

The police will be faced with a dilemma. Given their decades long mentality of "Us against Them", they will have to chose whether to protect their paychecks and pensions by doing what their masters order, or do they join the citizenry.

You use the term "murderous idiots" and that may well be what you think of those of us who decide to stand and fight, but it shows me that this is little more than an academic excersize to you. This ain't tiddly winks FRiend, and any thoughts you have of a nice, tidy recreation of 1861, which is where our conversation started, are just dust in the wind.

121 posted on 06/13/2017 11:49:40 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Kaslin
We are approaching something of a civil war

libtard marxists want a struggle between the thesis and antithesis and believe it is inevitable because of the dialectic

122 posted on 06/13/2017 12:00:39 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: WMarshal

I tell you go right ahead and see where the arm of flesh gets you. Then when you are really smarting I remind you of what the bible always said.


123 posted on 06/13/2017 12:10:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: mjp

Denying them this kind of fight spoils their game.


124 posted on 06/13/2017 12:12:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Roccus

I live in the middle of VA if FedGov collapses just who am I supposed to start shooting at?


125 posted on 06/13/2017 12:15:18 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: piasa

If we had elected Pat Buchanan in 1992 or 1996 or 2000 we would not be looking at Texas becoming a blue state because of out of control immigration. We would not have huge numbers of “refugees” in the country. We would not have gay marriage. We would not have had the Iraq war. We would still be America.

Trump ran on Pat’s platform: No neocon wars, stop mass immigration, American jobs for American workers. That’s what won where McCain and Romney failed with their “Russia is the enemy” line. Trump preached against that mindset for the entire campaign.


126 posted on 06/13/2017 12:21:13 PM PDT by WatchungEagle
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To: sergeantdave
How many snowflake battalions will march out of the universities and enter the battlefield in your opinion?

Probably none, and, in fact, there probably wouldn't be any kind of "battlefield", at least in the usual sense. The tension that I refer to will result in things like widespread acts of violence; destruction of property; seizure of assets, pensions, etc.; punitive taxation; imprisonment and punishment disproportionately applied; and so on. The snowflakes' role will be to disrupt, and only commit acts of aggression in favorable situations.

If, in the unlikely (very unlikely), event that this ends up with "battlefields" in the conventional sense, normal people will find themselves up against police departments, and possibly military units, but only after they have been thoroughly purged of people sympathetic to normal, mainstream, America. They will definitely NOT find themselves lined up against a battalion of snowflakes.
127 posted on 06/13/2017 12:25:01 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5

“...normal people will find themselves up against police departments...”

That’s interesting. In the 1992 LA riots, the LA police department personnel hopped in their police cars and drove home to protect their families. Do you know if that’s still SOP in the LA Police Department?

OTOH, when King Obuma sent one of his BIG CHIEFS from BLM down to South Carolina to start riots, he was arrested for attempted murder and is facing 10-20 years in state prison.

What’s your analysis on this?


128 posted on 06/13/2017 1:01:57 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
What’s your analysis on this?

The police, generally speaking, are wholly on the side of normal citizens. That is why I qualified it with: "only after they have been thoroughly purged ...". A good lesson is in Berkeley, where I have no doubt that the police, as individuals, are wholly on the side of Trump supporters. But the leadership is wholly on the side of the clowns in the clown show. Over time, if tensions continue to ramp up, police departments are going to find themselves increasingly at odds with their leadership, who will be beholden to the political class. And, of course, this will vary enormously from place to place. Most police departments, especially those in rural and semi-rural areas, will remain protective of normal people, and generally hostile to those who are acting like idiots. But in other areas, where the political leadership is more activist, the police departments will be purged (assuming that tensions are ramping up significantly).
129 posted on 06/13/2017 1:14:46 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Don’t give me wrong, I do not want another Civil War in America. What I am saying is that if Civil War does come to America it will be ugly and it will initially be small groups and individuals against other small groups and individuals just because it can be data analysis driven. Hell, the Chinese have hacked data on every federal employee - 4,000,000 of them. I think that kind of data will naturally get in the hands of a lot angry people really quickly.


130 posted on 06/13/2017 1:15:33 PM PDT by WMarshal (President Trump, a president keeping his promises to the American people. It feels like winning.)
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To: central_va

“I live in the middle of VA if FedGov collapses just who am I supposed to start shooting?”

Probably everyone LOL!


131 posted on 06/13/2017 1:29:22 PM PDT by WMarshal (President Trump, a president keeping his promises to the American people. It feels like winning.)
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To: jjsheridan5

“But in other areas, where the political leadership is more activist, the police departments will be purged (assuming that tensions are ramping up significantly).”

Your above statement brings up the other side of the coin.

What happens if the rank and file police decide to purge the leadership? Now we have a situation where the elitists are cowering in place, not knowing who is loyal to their elitist mechanizations.

It looks like the situation is unknowable and only open to speculation, unless you’re dealing with people who are grounded in God, country and family.


132 posted on 06/13/2017 1:55:02 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: RebelTXRose

I march in Sept 2009, and will answer the call again.


133 posted on 06/13/2017 2:07:55 PM PDT by DEPcom
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To: jjsheridan5

The folks in new Jersey don’t drive the tractors, plow the fields or harvest the food. Money won’t matter if shtf.


134 posted on 06/13/2017 3:33:03 PM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: Kaslin

Have been in one for a long time.


135 posted on 06/13/2017 3:43:08 PM PDT by mulligan
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To: piasa

Okay, could you maybe address the article?


136 posted on 06/13/2017 3:52:22 PM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...
Prepper ping : Is the selection of the Special Prosecutors committee a political " witch hunt " ?

Are we nearing Civil War ?
(from the article) :" As Newt Gingrich said Sunday: "Look at who Mueller's starting to hire. ...
(T)hese are people that ... look to me like they're ... setting up to go after Trump ...
including people, by the way, who have been reprimanded for hiding from the defense information into major cases. ...

Hat Tip to TADSLOS

137 posted on 06/13/2017 4:56:45 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: msrngtp2002

When there’s no power, food, or water kinda takes the fight out of most people. When the government doesn’t deliver it will be a very short battle


138 posted on 06/13/2017 5:37:51 PM PDT by Keyhopper (Indians had bad immigration laws)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Yes, it’s a ‘witch hunt’.

No, we’re not heading toward civil war.


139 posted on 06/13/2017 5:51:41 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 (qu)
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To: Jamestown1630
Jamestown1630 :" Yes, it’s a ‘witch hunt’.
No, we’re not heading toward civil war."

I agree with you - but wanted to present it out there.
The current "Resist we much" bunch just can't seem to let it go and get on with life,
especially , since the "Russian Collusion" argument is a 'nothing burger' and was just more hot air and abstinence.

140 posted on 06/13/2017 6:01:31 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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