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If progressives believe gender is fluid, then why not race?
The Hill ^ | 05/08/17 11:00 AM EDT | DAVID S. D'AMATO, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR

Posted on 05/09/2017 4:24:46 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie

If progressives believe gender is fluid, then why not race?

Philosophy professor Rebecca Tuvel touched off a firestorm of controversy this week with her paper “In Defense of Transracialism,” published in the feminist journal Hypatia.

In it, Professor Tuvel argues that we ought to support those who identify with a racial group other than the one into which they were born just as we support transgender people.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


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KEYWORDS: gender; lgbt; race; reality
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To: The_Media_never_lie

If progressives believe gender is fluid, then why not race?

Then why not age? Why not species? Mental disorders know no bounds; it's what makes them a "disorder".


21 posted on 05/09/2017 5:04:08 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

I like collard greens so does that make me black?


23 posted on 05/09/2017 5:05:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I pointed this out a long time ago.

There is absolutely no difference.

Either one is to simply lie. And/or be deceived.


24 posted on 05/09/2017 5:05:58 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I think one element is that there’s a lot of money to be made being the “right” “race,” and much less in “changing” “gender.” A man who wants to present himself as a woman has to pay a lot of money - unless he’s a California prison inmate - but a person who successfully assumes an “oppressed” “race,” such as Elizabeth Warren or Rachel Dolezal, is in the running for a big payoff.

Therefore, it is important to protect the “reality” of “race” from encroachers.


25 posted on 05/09/2017 5:11:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We tend to retreat into cheap moralizing when economic realities become uncomfortable.")
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To: central_va

I don’t know, but if you like Popeyes and watermelon, you may need to get a DNA test;)


26 posted on 05/09/2017 5:11:56 AM PDT by blackbetty59
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“One door opens another” and on and on and on.

The destruction of our society is now in full gear. In the mid-60’s the first door opened and now look at our society today. Worse yet, with each new “opening door” our society becomes unhinged in giant leaps.

The “rot” started at our colleges and now has spread to the entire educational system from kindergarten to the highest levels of education...if you want to call it that.

All “so called” educational facilities are nothing more than correct-political indoctrination centers. History is distorted to fit the mould set by our liberal educators, simple math has been ruined by “the new math”, english is now frowned on and now emphasis is placed on Spanish and other languages of the hordes of invaders into our nation.

The moral of the story is “get them when they are young and tell them horrible bogey man stories and they will be afraid to go out into the night for the rest of their lives. It works with young children and it is the basis of our so-called educational system today.

We have gone too far due to political correctness and it is now too late to turn around. In 30 years we will not even know this country as it was.


27 posted on 05/09/2017 5:14:04 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: blackbetty59
Popeyes and watermelon

Like? Love you mean. I also like loose fitting slippers.

28 posted on 05/09/2017 5:17:13 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Liberals live in a poison destructive state of total discontent... in near every aspect of their sad pathetic lives. This leads to perpetual tantrum. Like most miserable souls, they despise we who are content in our minds and bodies... so they demand we be miserable too. In a way they are already in Hell, they don’t have to wait to die.


29 posted on 05/09/2017 5:20:22 AM PDT by FiddlePig (Who needs Truth & facts when you have narrative?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Reality is a perception but a persistent one. And reality is that if we are born with a set we are male, like it or not.


30 posted on 05/09/2017 5:20:30 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I’m a tree!


31 posted on 05/09/2017 5:21:37 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: ClearCase_guy

I would say around 20% you start to get all the advantages of being black. Obama did with 50% but he could have done with less. Much less.


32 posted on 05/09/2017 5:26:00 AM PDT by libh8er
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

It’s already happening...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4468954/Man-spends-25k-plastic-surgery-elf.html


33 posted on 05/09/2017 5:26:42 AM PDT by smileyface (Things looking up in RED PA! I love President Trump!)
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To: freedumb2003
Mountain View
34 posted on 05/09/2017 5:27:18 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: blackbetty59

I’m guessing the “one drop” rule is back and it’s now not considered a bad thing.


35 posted on 05/09/2017 5:29:57 AM PDT by stylin19a (Terrorists - "just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there")
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It is a mistake to argue on the progressives' own terms. The fact is, gender does not exist-- it is a construct invented by sociologists to explain what used to be called sex role enactment-- behavior. Sex is a biological reality that doesn't change. Confusion of the two is at the root of left wing idiocy.

Race is a construct also, which has some underlying biological substrates, but not enough to be definitive at the margins.

If a white woman wants to see herself as black, there's no law against it, but there should be no expectation that government--or sane people-- need to humor her delusions.

36 posted on 05/09/2017 5:30:36 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s actually a really good question.

Chromosomes XX — female
Chromosomes XY — male

But that is no longer agreed upon, and it’s all complex now.

But race?? You’d need Nuremburg Laws to figure if someone is legitimately black or white or Hispanic or whatever. There is no simple way to settle the issue in some cases.

Race is now a stupid concept — there isn’t any race.


Makes total “sense” in a Lib mindset. They always argue against reality. Take something physically measurable like gender and claim it’s “fluid”. Take something like race, which has no measurable definition and is indeed “fluid” and claim it is immutable.


37 posted on 05/09/2017 5:31:37 AM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s why the liberal SCOTUS Justices put a clock on Affirmative Action; they knew we were headed toward a mixed-race society and at some point, whitey would benefit.


38 posted on 05/09/2017 5:32:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #cishet #MyPresident #MAGA #Winning)
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To: libh8er

But I hope you see the point — you say “around 20%”. But someone else says “around 18%” and someone else says “around 22%”.

Who is right? How can this be decided? What percentage is “correct”?

It cannot be determined. The problem isn’t the number choice. The problem is that there is so much blending that the concept is now obsolete. Race is “whatever”.

We need to focus on culture instead and we need to be judgmental about what is good and bad. That’s not being racist. Oh, no! Couldn’t be! There is no race! I’m just saying that rap music is utter crap and only morons listen to it. That’s all I’m saying.


39 posted on 05/09/2017 5:32:57 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I am now a gender-fluid black Asian Hispanic man/woman. All Federal contractors should start applying as "Women owned minority" businesses because, you know, they identify as that.
40 posted on 05/09/2017 5:33:01 AM PDT by Londo Molari
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