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The Labyrinth of Illegal Immigration
Townhall.com ^ | February 23, 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/23/2017 5:08:34 AM PST by Kaslin

Activists portray illegal immigration solely as a human story of the desperately poor from south of the border fleeing misery to start new, productive lives in the U.S. -- despite exploitation and America's nativist immigration laws.

But the truth is always more complex -- and can reveal self-interested as well as idealistic parties.

Employers have long sought to undercut the wages of the American underclass by preference for cheaper imported labor. The upper-middle classes have developed aristocratic ideas of hiring inexpensive "help" to relieve them of domestic chores.

The Mexican government keeps taxes low on its elite in part by exporting, rather than helping, its own poor. It causes little worry that some $25 billion in remittances sent from Mexican citizens working in America puts hardship on those expatriates, who are often subsidized by generous U.S. social services.

Mexico City rarely welcomes a heartfelt discussion about why its citizens flee Mexican exploitation and apparently have no wish to return home. Nor does Mexico City publicize its own stern approaches to immigration enforcement along its southern border -- or its ethnocentric approach to all immigration (not wanting to impair "the equilibrium of national demographics") that is institutionalized in Mexico's constitution.

The Democratic Party is also invested in illegal immigration, worried that its current agendas cannot win in the Electoral College without new constituents who appreciate liberal support for open borders and generous social services.

In contrast, classically liberal, meritocratic and ethnically diverse immigration might result in a disparate, politically unpredictable set of immigrants.

La Raza groups take it for granted that influxes of undocumented immigrants fuel the numbers of unassimilated supporters. Measured and lawful immigration, along with rapid assimilation, melt away ethnic-based constituencies.

Immigration activists often fault the U.S. as historically racist and colonialist while insisting that millions of foreigners have an innate right to enter illegally and reside in such a supposedly dreadful place.

Undocumented immigrants themselves are not unaware that their own illegal entry, in self-interested fashion, crowds out legal immigrants who often wait years to enter the U.S.

Increased demands on social services often affect Mexican-American communities the most grievously -- a fact that explains why sizable numbers of Latinos support border enforcement.

What does all this complexity mean for the Trump administration's plans to return to the enforcement of existing immigration statutes?

There is one red line to Trump immigration policies that otherwise are widely supported.

Most Americans want the border enforced. And, depending on how the question is worded, most voters likewise favor the completion of a wall on the southern border and an end to all illegal immigration.

There is little public support for sanctuary cities. They are seen as a form of neo-Confederate nullification -- insurrectionary and unsustainable in a republic of laws.

Where controversy arises is over the more difficult question of the fate of at least 11 million foreign nationals currently residing illegally in the U.S.

Most Americans agree that if such immigrants are able-bodied but have no work history and are on public support, have just arrived hoping for amnesty, or have committed crimes in the U.S., they should be deported to their countries of origin. Nearly 1 million such people were already facing pre-Trump government removal orders.

Yet for those undocumented immigrants who are working, crime-free and have established residence, the Trump administration will learn that the public supports some sort of accommodation that might lead to a fine, followed by the opportunity to apply for a green card.

Given those realities, the next immigration fault line will hinge on the definition of a "crime."

For most Americans, identity theft, falsification of government affidavits or trafficking in fraudulent Social Security numbers are the sort of violations that would end their own careers and unwind the very cohesiveness of government.

Rural or inner-city poor American citizens would go to jail for identity theft or lying on state and federal documents. Yet immigration activists sometimes seek to downplay these sorts of crimes as simply inherent in the desperate plight of the immigrant.

In sum, after the border is closed, and as long as the Trump administration does not summarily deport employed, crime-free, undocumented immigrants who have lived here for years, its reform agenda will quickly win the debate and at last return immigration to a legal enterprise.

In turn, Trump opponents will discover that while a small percentage of the undocumented have committed violent crimes, a far larger percentage than is commonly reported may have committed identity theft or falsified government documents.

Arguing to Americans that these are neither real crimes nor deportable offenses will prove no more a winning message for Trump's critics than would deporting productive and law-abiding residents who entered the U.S. illegally win support for Trump himself.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 02/23/2017 5:08:34 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: bestintxas; carolinablonde; COBOL2Java; DuncanWaring; EXCH54FE; ExTexasRedhead; FreedomPoster; ...

Victor Davis Hanson Column


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2 posted on 02/23/2017 5:09:26 AM PST by Kaslin ( Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible)
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To: Kaslin

“does not summarily deport employed, crime-free, undocumented immigrants who have lived here for years,”

Just save them for last.

In the meantime, ensure they don’t receive benefits.


3 posted on 02/23/2017 5:17:03 AM PST by fruser1
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To: All
.....as for other criminal acts by illegals, a far larger percentage may have committed identity theft and/or falsified government documents.....

NOTE: falsifying documents is the criminal MO to obscure commission of even larger crimes.

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A Pew Report found most of the illegal 8 million jobholder worked in violation of US law. They falsified federal employment forms stating they were legally allowed to work.

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One of Trump's EO’s goes after illegals who falsified govt documents. Trump’s order calls for targeting anyone who lied on federal employment forms. NOTE: Trump needs to consider falsification of other documents......like welfare forms, EITC tax refund apps, school documents, birth certificates...and so on.

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REFERENCE---Falsifying Government Documents involves altering, changing, or modifying a document for the purpose of deception.......can also involve forgery and/or passing copies of false documents. Falsifying documents is usually done in connection with broader criminal aims, such as extortion, government fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, financing terrorism........

Types of documents commonly falsified may include:
◾Tax returns and income statements
◾Personal checks
◾Bank account records
◾Business record keeping books
◾Immigration documents (such as visas, passports, etc.)
◾Identification cards and birth certificates

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting factual information such as prices or monetary amounts
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Concealing assets or property WRT obtaining federal/state grants))
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

A person can only be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party.

Falsifying govt documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years. Also, if government documents or authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. ..... legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958.

4 posted on 02/23/2017 5:19:52 AM PST by Liz (Coulters L a: the MSM's delay in reporting a perp means the less likely its a white Christian)
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To: Kaslin

How can an illegal work without the employer and employee breaking the law?


5 posted on 02/23/2017 5:28:47 AM PST by joshua c (Cut the cord! Don't pay for the rope they hang you with.)
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To: Liz

One of the things that needs to be looked into is collecting EIC on their income taxes


6 posted on 02/23/2017 5:32:32 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: joshua c

If they have a stolen social security number and identity they can pass E-Verify. In that case the employer is not at fault, but then they should be subject to deportation. E-Verify should be law across the country


7 posted on 02/23/2017 5:35:07 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Kaslin

Ronald Reagan made a huge mistake with his amnesty. I would hope that President Trump does not make the same mistake.

With the high percentage of young adults still living at home, unable to find jobs much less build careers, I would think that the harm of allowing illegal aliens to take the starter jobs at less than minimum wage would be very easy to explain to people.

We are not helping the desperately poor of Mexico and South America by allowing them into the US to be little more than slaves. We actually help them more by preventing them from entering our country and deporting them when they do. When they remain in their home country, they put pressure on their government to address the problems that make them so poor in the first place.

Fix the problems in other countries, don’t import them here and allow them to fester.


8 posted on 02/23/2017 5:38:56 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone know what happened to the revised immigration ban we were promised by President Trump by earliy this week?


9 posted on 02/23/2017 5:42:01 AM PST by TonyM
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To: Kaslin
Yet for those undocumented immigrants who are working, crime-free and have established residence, the Trump administration will learn that the public supports some sort of accommodation that might lead to a fine, followed by the opportunity to apply for a green card.

Given those realities, the next immigration fault line will hinge on the definition of a "crime."

That ain't my reality bub.

F U VDH. Caving in is never a good policy.

10 posted on 02/23/2017 5:42:12 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

Message to all amnesty whores: The next citizen run over by an illegal may be you or one of your family.


11 posted on 02/23/2017 5:43:45 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

“...desperately poor...”
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Often true. But Americans cannot be expected fix everyone’s sad story. Let the left wing billionaires pay to help their poster child sob stories.


12 posted on 02/23/2017 5:46:07 AM PST by Socon-Econ
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To: Kaslin

VDH is a squish.


13 posted on 02/23/2017 5:46:58 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: joshua c

—that is why , rather than a wall , I advocate a policy where the employer of any illegal goes to jail about the same time that his company goes broke from the fines incurred by the illegal hiring—


14 posted on 02/23/2017 5:48:21 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: joshua c

They can’t! That’s a very large point. They pay mostly by cash. While Mamasito is down signing up for food stamps for spawn back at camp.

I saw a report on TV the other day of a Tomato Farmer in the south, I think Floriduh complaining that he can’t hire enough people to pick his tomatos....stating that he needs immigrant labor because Americans won’t do that kind of work.

This Farmer’s income and choice of crop to produce is NOT my problem. If he can’t get enough workers to pick his crop he needs to grow something he can produce/harvest with Machinery. Again, NOT MY PROBLEM.


15 posted on 02/23/2017 5:51:12 AM PST by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: central_va

And you are a moron


16 posted on 02/23/2017 5:55:13 AM PST by Kaslin ( Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible)
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To: Kaslin

Squish.


17 posted on 02/23/2017 5:58:05 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark. VDH always makes sense.


18 posted on 02/23/2017 6:00:32 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: fruser1
In the meantime, ensure they don’t receive benefits. Excellent point

Also that woman in the photo with the sign should be forced to give up her job to one of those illegals and not be allowed to receive any government assistance whatsoever.

19 posted on 02/23/2017 6:00:55 AM PST by Kaslin ( Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible)
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To: Kaslin

We do not tolerate people who do not follow our rules.

We put those people into prison.

Illegally entering our country is not following our rules.


20 posted on 02/23/2017 6:01:02 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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