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Trump says because of high cost of F-35 has asked Boeing to price out 'comparable F-18'
Reuters ^ | December 22, 2016

Posted on 12/22/2016 3:34:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump said on Thursday that because of the high cost of Lockheed Martin Corp's F-35 fighter, he had asked Boeing Co to offer a price for a "comparable F-18 Super Hornet."

"Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!," Trump wrote on Twitter....

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airforce; aviation; boeing; lobbyistsraus; military; trump; trumpdod; trumptransition
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To: smokingfrog

“Nothing is comparable to the F-35.”

The P-35 and Brewster Buffalo come to mind.


61 posted on 12/22/2016 5:10:03 PM PST by DesertRhino
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To: smokingfrog

Sorry I meant the P-39 of course.


62 posted on 12/22/2016 5:10:56 PM PST by DesertRhino
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To: CodeToad
“So he intends to Sole Source to Boeing, vs an open contract competition?” So? The Super Hornet is a Boeing product. If the gov wanted to buy iPhones, do they need to open contract away from Apple??

The Competition in Contracting Act (CICA) of 1984 is United States legislation governing the hiring of contractors. It requires U.S. federal government agencies to arrange “full and open competition through the use of competitive procedures” in their procurement activities unless otherwise authorized by law.

https://interact.gsa.gov/blog/competition-contracting-act-cica

63 posted on 12/22/2016 5:17:11 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: SauronOfMordor

Exactly right. And along that same vain, a few thousand more A-10s would probably be a good idea. With whatever upgrades that may be available.


64 posted on 12/22/2016 5:29:19 PM PST by lafroste (Look at my profile page. Thanks.)
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To: lafroste

vein, duh


65 posted on 12/22/2016 5:33:20 PM PST by lafroste (Look at my profile page. Thanks.)
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To: Seaplaner

Ping!


66 posted on 12/22/2016 5:34:48 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: smokingfrog

That’s the one I was rooting for. We need a fighter that looks like a pelican.


67 posted on 12/22/2016 5:40:24 PM PST by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen.)
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To: smokingfrog

True, but at what cost? If it’s mission is to replace the A-10 then it’s totally over qualified and over priced for the job. Keep the 300 mph faster F-22’s coming and use them and the FA-18 as leverage to lower the F-35 costs.


68 posted on 12/22/2016 5:40:59 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I bet Obama didn’t even know the US was building the F-35 fighter


69 posted on 12/22/2016 5:46:36 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: freedumb2003
If the F-15, 16 or 18s had the history of the F-35 we would still be flying F-104s (not that would be a terrible thing).

Back in the early seventies I was working for Hughes Aircraft Company and we took an instrumented Phoenix missile back Grumman to hang on an F-14 and measure the captive flight environment. Its first flight was on flight number three of F-14 number three. About two years later we had heard that number three departed and the pilot recovered and landed. At that debrief that were many naval officers and I assumed they were picking up jets to go to the fleet.

The F-14 didn't have a bazillion lines of code but it was still a pretty complex airplane.

In my opinion the major problem with defense acquisition is the fact that after all the defense companies merged there is no competition and no innovation.

70 posted on 12/22/2016 5:47:52 PM PST by saminfl
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To: Boogieman

“Let’s just build some cheap stealth drones to take out the radar and air defense, THEN we can send in the expensive stuff with our precious human pilots.”

I am all for that. Worked on the XB-47, too!


71 posted on 12/22/2016 5:48:41 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Elderberry

” unless otherwise authorized by law. “

Read that part and get back to us. There is plenty of wiggle room in that. Used it many times in my career.


72 posted on 12/22/2016 5:49:38 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The panties are sopping wet on Fox over this. “You can’t deal in military aircraft deals on TWITTER?!?!?”

Well, why the f not? If it works and gets us, the American people, better, cheaper stuff?

I am loving winning.


73 posted on 12/22/2016 5:51:02 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: saminfl

“after all the defense companies merged there is no competition and no innovation. “

Yep. Sad to think that my career started in the early 80’s and the dozens of major contractors I worked with are almost all merged into just a handful now. Innovation has greatly suffered.


74 posted on 12/22/2016 5:51:04 PM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: libstripper

Spot on! Having been involved in government procurement I know that it all starts in the specifications process. Throw in jobs creation in key voting reps districts, mission creep, graft and the normal profit markup and you end up with a bird that does more than intended at inception but is so overly engineered and overly complicated it spends more time on the ground than in the air. Remember the F-111 Albatross?


75 posted on 12/22/2016 5:52:59 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: taterjay

We may never have another politician in the White House if Trump the businessman makes all this work.


I just now said this exact thing to my mom, before I read your post! We may never go back to a lawyer who jumped from one cushy political job to the next as our candidate. This is exactly what we have been needing.


76 posted on 12/22/2016 5:54:44 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Ben Mugged

True and no sale until it’s proven.


77 posted on 12/22/2016 5:57:55 PM PST by Theophilus (#RepentTrump)
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To: smokingfrog

Especially the price!


78 posted on 12/22/2016 6:03:53 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: DesertRhino

The P-39 suffered from lack of a supercharger. Still, the Russians were glad to get them.


79 posted on 12/22/2016 6:05:38 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Seaplaner

The F-22 was never intended for use on carriers - navalization is a lot more complex and expensive than just slapping a tailhook on the back, a naval refueling probe on the front and calling it a day.


80 posted on 12/22/2016 6:09:42 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.d)
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