Posted on 12/16/2016 4:19:30 PM PST by Elderberry
The conversation about Barack Obama’s birth certificate has been off the table for a while now – but the true heart of the matter has never been resolved.
Has anything in his administration been valid or legal? Oddly enough, it seems that a clever legal strategy may make the question of a forged document somehow irrelevant to Obama’s eligibility to hold office.
Coincidentally or not, it was none other than President-elect Donald Trump who, arguably, called off the hounds, got the Obama Admin to produce a document, and then called the whole thing square in the lead up to 2012.
More recently, Trump dismissed his previous ties to the “birther movement” during the last few weeks of his presidential campaign, brushing off the topic very hurriedly by stating: “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.”
However, the question isn’t settled for investigators who have been conducting a five-year probe of the birth certificate they claim is a forgery – complete with photoshop layers!
Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, headed by the outgoing Sheriff Joe Arpaio, found, via WND:
A years-long forensics investigation into the computer image of the long-form Hawaiian birth certificate image that Barack Obama released during a White House news conference during his first term and presented to the American people as an official government document concluded it is “fake.”
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The sheriff’s video said there were nine images on the Obama birth certificate that appear to be identical to, and copied from, another birth certificate issued in Hawaii just days after his birth. That certificate belongs to Johanna Ah’nee.
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“The inescapable conclusion is that the Hawaii Department of Health has not shown the American public the original 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, if they actually exist,” he said.
Clearly, the mainstream media will continue to cast doubt and ridicule on these claims.
But it isn’t for lack of substance, but for fear that these dangerous issues could be raised. A Republican controlled Congress, however, could revive the issue again. That much remains to be seen.
So what does it all mean? According to Jerome Corsi, WND writer and author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?:
“That President Obama’s birth certificate is fake, as proven now by a legitimate law enforcement examination raises serious questions that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed at the highest level of government. The clear conclusion is that the Obama presidency may have been illegitimate, having violated Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. Impeachment procedures may be required, even if those procedures are conducted after Obama leaves office.”
Sheriff Arpaio indicated his intent to raise Congressional hearings and put forward a law requiring presidential vetting (obviously a good idea):
“I plan on turning over this investigation this month to the federal government. And Congress. And hope Congress No. 1 will pass a law, the president should be vetted. Common sense.
Meanwhile, the powers that be are claiming that the Arpaio posse investigation doesn’t matter.
What makes these matters even more interesting is that Obama lawyers have apparently admitted that the document is a fake – and went so far as to argue that the fake document, therefore, was not sufficient to disprove Obama’s eligibility for the highest office.
After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination … arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama’s ineligibility in a court of law.
Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.
Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.
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“Sadly, regardless of her moral deficiency, Hill is legally justified,” says TDP Editor, Penbrook Johannson, “Obama’s eligibility is a separate matter than the charges of forgery and fraud. Of course, we have evidence that he is not eligible. But, evidence of forgery by as yet unidentified counterfeiters working on behalf of Obama is not what legally excludes Obama from appearing on a ballot, by itself, until some authority is willing to consider this as evidence of forgery on its merit as an indication of actual ineligibility in a court of legal authority.
These bizarre statements are actually on video… skip ahead to 34-40 minutes in this second part for many of the relevant statements about how the alleged forgery never was relevant to whether or not Obama appeared on the ballot in 2012 – though, in theory and in merit, it should have been.
In hindsight, there may have been a masterful strategy of evasion at work.
a) Barack Obama satisfied the public scrutiny over his birth certificate by outwardly bending to pressure from Donald Trump’s “show me” routine
b) The Obama team (individuals not clearly identified) produced the document in question by leaking it to the press, and putting it online.
c) However, no birth certificate document was ever legally produced or turned in to anyone (including the State Dept.) in order to appear on the ballot, etc.
d) Therefore, legal questions concerning “forgery” of the document produced do not legally link up to anything about Obama’s candidacy or presidency
e) Any questions or criminal allegations are posed towards “as yet unknown” conspirators – meaning that, while the document may indeed be a proven forgery, no one is currently identified as having created the document. Unless Obama is personally implicated in creating and producing this document, it would have no bearing on his eligibility – in retrospect or otherwise. At this point, it isn’t even clear if a legitimate birth certificate exists for Obama, and if so, where it is located or being held.
f) Public perception is an entirely different beast. If it ever came to a head, the entire reign of Obama could be put into question. But luckily for the outgoing president, those making accusations and raising questions have been labeled and marginalized. Until the campaign of Donald Trump, the question had been largely dropped – even in many right wing circles.
Who can pin the tail on this donkey?
Cruz was born in Calgary and that’s in Alberta, Canada- 3 hours north of our American border.
Ted is a natural born Canadian citizen and held onto his Canadian citizenship until 2015.
His father was Cuban citizen until 1968. Then he became a Canadian citizen until 2005.
His mother was born in the USA, was a British resident for 6-7 years and then became a Canadian citizen.
The Cruz family moved to the USA when he was 5 yrs old.
There were pictures of the survivors swimming out of and around the aircraft as it was still floating. She was in the water with other people around here very alive as the others were. Simply, she was drowned.
The two SCOTUS appointments Bath House Barry made are where he is really vulnerable now. What Trump needs to do is ignore this for 35 more days and THEN blow it up. When Trump has all the levers of power and all the BSM has is Fake News.
New Research Surfaces on the Obama “forged” Selective Service issue
There was an elaborate plot to stage the crash of a small plane with ten passengers with the only death supposed to be Fuddy.
However there exists a three hour video that was painstakingly done that reveals almost any question you can ask about the episode.I was fortunate enough to view it but don't feel as if I have the right to chat about it. So I will let it go at that.
Sufficed it to say there are a lot of questions about the entire plane crash that will probably never be answered.
There were a number of cod's(causes of death),drowning,asphyxiation, etc etc. others by more than one individual. You can almost pick the one you like. Bottom line where's the body where are the ashes? Cricketts....
Then why the no autopsy and why the cremation? A very timely death indeed.
Yes 13489,and yes it was to control and seal anything he deemed bad. Here’s an old thread on it
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304500/posts
I have thought for many months now that the Constitution should be amended to require that any candidate for POTUS be subjected to a background check. It makes no sense that the only person NOT subjected to a background check is the person who will hold the highest office in the land!
Truth is we have no idea who or what was creamated.
My guess is Fuddy was a sort of homey for ozero,she may have escaped the wide hit list they have of offing almost anyone they don’t like.It’s very possible they went to extraordinary lengths to give her a new id and I bet she’s still in Hawaii.
I guess its just "luck" for them that Fuddy died and "luck" for them that the supposed grandma of the bammy died so quietly...
and we're just "unlucky" to have Scalia die and Breitbart...and probably countless others..
Nonsense. The statutes are very clear.
If Barry was born in Kenya to Stanley Ann, he clearly fails under the statute--no argument. Everything else, including my speculation about Canada, is just that--speculation and irrelevant until the facts are in the record.
Cruz on the other hand has a somewhat better position. His mother passed Citizenship to her son born outside the US to a non citizen father--again, the statute is clear and specific.
Cruz has two problems. One is technical compliance with the statute which is not all that clear. The other is that the established Constitutional Law view excludes statutory citizenship at birth and does include only birth in the several states. At present, my forecast is that the Supreme Court would hold Cruz eligible if he were elected but that is not supported by any operative precedent.
Or will you not have any opinion of your own and once again direct me to another thread?
He isn’t a legal US citizen. Lock Pelosi up.
Most likely for receiving financial aid for being from Kenya.
Actually, he would not be a U.S. citizen if Stanley Ann Dunham were legally married to Barack Obama, Sr. But Obama was at that time already married to another woman. Therefore, Dunham doesn’t have to be age 19 in 1961, since U.S. law would deem the marriage of Obama-Dunham as void, as bigamy is illegal. in 1961 and 2008/2012.
Also, under Kenyan law Barack Obama II would receive Kenyan citizenship at birth. Under British law, Barack Obama would have British Commonwealth citizenship from birth, if he applied before age 21. When adopted by Soetoro, Obama obtained Indonesian citizenship. So he had three citizenships at birth, and a fourth at age 6.
Natural-born? U.S. Supreme Court could have heard the case, but declined, ran away from that case. From a legal standpoint, I don’t know what his legal status(es) are. I never heard that he ever renounced his Indonesian citizenship, and I have heard that when a person becomes a citizen of Infonesia (including minor persons), he must give up all other citizenships. If so, then he was not eligible to be President. But no U.S. court has taken the case.
That suggests, contrary to speculators here, that it's not simply that FMD or Malcom X provided the daddy part, but that the entire situation "required" an entirely-revamped LFBC.
Yes. that makes sense.
>>>>If the fake Birth Certificate is evidence of anything in context, it is that he can't produce a Birth Certificate that does show he is eligible to hold the office.<<<<
Check out article, remainder of # 44, and subsequent comments.
Thanks, David.
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