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Does Belief in True Conservatism, Require One to Reject Equality?

Posted on 12/08/2016 7:21:17 AM PST by pinochet

A conservative is one who rejects, not only Marxism, but also the socialist and Jacobin ideologies which existed before the Marxist ideology came into existence. Marxism, socialism and Jacobinism, are the product of radical egalitarianism.

20th century American conservatives have exaggerated the differences between European conservatives and America's the founding fathers in the 1700s. European conservatism was about defending Monarchy and Aristocracy. America's founding fathers opposed King George III, but that does not mean they were hostile to all Kings.

Jefferson was a great admirer of the ancient Persian King, Cyrus the Great, and got some of his ideas on religious freedom from the religious tolerance that Cyrus promoted in ancient Persia. Jefferson also opposed the Jacobins of France, and was opposed to the removal of King Louis XVI, whom he thought should remain as a constitutional monarch

https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/french-revolution

Jefferson was also a believer in a "natural aristocracy" among men. In a letter to John Adams, Jefferson said:

"For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents....There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society."

America's founding fathers were not hostile to monarchy and aristocracy. They just opposed King George III.

Christianity has historically taught that all souls are equal, in the sense that they have equal chance in acquiring salvation. But for most of its existence, Christianity has supported monarchy and aristocracy, as the natural way of governing human societies. That means, Christianity taught that human beings were unequal, despite having equal souls.

We must see human inequality as a way in which God distributes different talents to different people. Conservatives instinctively understand, that everyone cannot be as good in physics as Albert Einstein, even if everyone got the best physics teacher to teach him.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: altright; bellcurve; conservatism; equality; socialism; ubermensch; vanity
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One cannot be an effective anti-socialist, unless one is willing to acknowledge that human beings are unequal
1 posted on 12/08/2016 7:21:17 AM PST by pinochet
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To: pinochet

Equality does not mean equal results.


2 posted on 12/08/2016 7:22:33 AM PST by LukeL
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To: pinochet

“The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society.” - Thomas Jefferson

Let me guess, Tom...you just happen you’re part of it, don’t you.


3 posted on 12/08/2016 7:25:05 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: LukeL

Equality only exists in academics minds. In the real world there is no such thing.


4 posted on 12/08/2016 7:25:05 AM PST by refermech
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To: pinochet

This is neither news nor activism. Should be in chat

Equality of opportunity not outcome


5 posted on 12/08/2016 7:25:55 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: BenLurkin

Based on Jefferson’s accomplishments, I do believe he qualifies as a natural.


6 posted on 12/08/2016 7:31:02 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: pinochet
That means, Christianity taught that human beings were unequal, despite having equal souls.

This is incorrect, Christianity never taught that humans were unequal, instead it RECOGNIZED that humans had different social status'. However, we were commanded to treat each other as brothers and sisters despite our caste, or what social status we held.

7 posted on 12/08/2016 7:31:11 AM PST by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: pinochet

There is equality in our being Children Of God. He gave us life and He loves us dearly.

That said, human nature is inherently unequal. Some people are better and some are worse. Some are good and some are evil.

I would not like to live in world of saints. We are meant to be imperfect and our humanity is the best part of us. A man is not a drone or a machine.

Every one deserves to be the person they were born to be. A society without real differences is not a society in which I would like to live.


8 posted on 12/08/2016 7:32:10 AM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: pinochet

For a long time I have said that Communism is nothing but a bastardization of the Christian principle of equality.


9 posted on 12/08/2016 7:35:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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You raise a very important point.

The fundamental difference between the political Left and Right is that Leftists believe in the Romantic notion that humans are all basically equal, that all inequality is due to unjust social institutions, and that through social engineering we can do away with inequality. In contrast, the Right believes that humans are fundamentally unequal, and that in a truly meritocratic society, you expect there to be a hierarchy among individuals and among groups.

A belief in vs. a rejection of natural human hierarchy is why you can have both left and right-wing anarchism/minarchism and both left and right-wing authoritarianism/totalitarianism. The underlying assumptions that we make about human nature rather than specific economic or political institutions are what separate Left from Right.

10 posted on 12/08/2016 7:40:10 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: pinochet

Someone is confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.

Anyone who rejects equality of opportunity is NOT a true conservative.


11 posted on 12/08/2016 7:40:38 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: LukeL

Much depends on the cause of the inequality. Some inequality can be caused by things that need, or historically needed, to be fixed, i.e., slavery, medieval feudalism, racial prejudice, government barriers to advancement. In modern America, much inequality results from people being their own worst enemy.


12 posted on 12/08/2016 7:40:55 AM PST by Socon-Econ
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The only equality I’m concerned about is equality of opportunity. Outcomes are based on God given talent and ability and a willingness to work hard for what you want.


13 posted on 12/08/2016 7:41:36 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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To: pinochet

No


14 posted on 12/08/2016 7:42:26 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Where's Hillary?)
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To: pinochet

Equality of outcomes, yes.


15 posted on 12/08/2016 7:42:45 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (Time to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!)
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Conservatives try to conform their beliefs to the reality of nature. The left is trying to make people reject the realities of nature.


16 posted on 12/08/2016 7:44:18 AM PST by BRL
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To: pinochet

No one really believes in equality.


17 posted on 12/08/2016 7:44:55 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Sans-Culotte

You can’t engineer equality of outcome without taking away freedom.

Making every one equal that way isn’t the answer.


18 posted on 12/08/2016 7:44:56 AM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: LukeL

Or equal abilities.


19 posted on 12/08/2016 7:49:02 AM PST by Harpotoo
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To: pinochet

This:

“For I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents....There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth...”

Completely disagrees with this:

“America’s founding fathers were not hostile to monarchy and aristocracy. They just opposed King George III.”


20 posted on 12/08/2016 7:50:52 AM PST by JPJones (George Washington's Tariffs were Patriotic. Build a Wall and Build a Wall of tariffs.)
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