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The Winners and Losers of the Carrier Deal
National Review ^ | December 1, 2016

Posted on 12/05/2016 7:18:50 AM PST by reaganaut1

No one ever doubted Donald Trump’s talent for theater, a gift he is exercising with some flair in the matter of the Carrier air-conditioner company’s facilities in Indiana.

Carrier had planned to move a furnace operation to Mexico and to shutter a plant in Huntington, Ind., where it manufactures electronic controls. After the intervention of President-elect Trump and Governor Mike Pence, Carrier has agreed to keep the furnace operation going in Indiana, albeit with several hundred fewer employees. It still will close the electronics plant and offshore those 700 or so jobs. It will move about 600 jobs from the furnace facility to Mexico as well, though it will keep 800 of them in Indiana. It has also promised to keep 300 research-and-development positions in Indiana — jobs it had never planned to relocate in the first place.

There are two aspects of this to consider: The first is a question of principle, the second is a question of competency.

We are not very enthusiastic about government-run economic-development programs that rely on industry-specific — or firm-specific — tax breaks, grants, or other concessions. In the long run (and generally in the short run, too), these programs are almost always corrupt in themselves and a source of corruption in others, with the benefits going mainly to politically influential and well-connected companies, whether that means Solyndra during the Obama administration or Carrier in the Trump administration. Inevitably, what happens is this: The government creates a set of incentives to encourage certain kinds of business activity, from “green” energy to manufacturing, and then, after a few years pass, complains mightily that companies are responding to the incentives that the government created.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: carrier; trump
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To: Alberta's Child

Well said.


21 posted on 12/05/2016 8:14:58 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: MNJohnnie

Da!


22 posted on 12/05/2016 8:35:05 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: reaganaut1

Why should I oppose this? It makes economic sense. Oh, I get it! Because it doesn’t meet the definition of “conservatism” espoused by a hard core of losers who live in the NRO fantasy world.


23 posted on 12/05/2016 9:01:16 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Right versus left is no longer as relevant as Nationalist versus globalist.)
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To: reaganaut1

Trump can’t change the tax code. He’s President-Elect.


24 posted on 12/05/2016 9:02:46 AM PST by gogeo (That's my Trumpy!)
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To: reaganaut1; Non-Compliant_Deplorable

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25 posted on 12/05/2016 9:16:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Hey, whining losers,Trump will just go ahe$$ad & make things better for us without you!!!!")
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To: reaganaut1
Freepers were against Obama's bailout of GM, and I think they should also oppose special tax breaks for Carrier. If business taxes are costing American jobs, change the tax code.

Numbnutz, Trump is "President elect" not yet President and he can not change any tax code...yet.

He did what he could, and still you carpers just bitch and bitch and bitch.

26 posted on 12/05/2016 10:03:09 AM PST by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Tell you what.

I'll provide you a link to a source of information that serves as the foundation of my political philosophy.

Enjoy.

KrisAnneHall.com: Studying Independence Pt. 1.

27 posted on 12/05/2016 10:05:37 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

So I see, you are a moron who failed basic reading comprehension.

How sad it must be to be you. You seem to have a dim perception that nature played a cruel trick on you but lack the connective functions to recognize your fundamental idiocy.


28 posted on 12/05/2016 10:13:23 AM PST by MNJohnnie (This revolt is not ending, it is merely beginning.- Pat Caddell)
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To: reaganaut1

I absolutely do! The delusional here think it is a one time, one year taxpayer gift.. I figure minimum ten years.. Nice CEO Christmas present, huh? Not so much for taxpayers. Taxpayers on this board have been replace by trumpbots. Censorship, ridicule and every Obama strategy for those who oppose taxation and corporate croynism. For decades I loved the debate, the reason, the swordsmanship of ideas and thoughts here.. A thing of the past. Jobs created or saved... back in style for this board.. the GOP e.


29 posted on 12/05/2016 10:22:26 AM PST by momincombatboots (Pray for Sky, 20, two gunshots to abdomen, college student, hostess, easy prey n transformed US)
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To: reaganaut1

The corporate tax code should be the same for all businesses large and small.

However we get into the problem of specific States (and cities) offering tax incentives for companies to move to their location. The Federal government shouldn’t really get involved in this.

Basically, large businesses have the opportunity to throw their weight around both at the Federal level and at the State, county, city level. They can extort huge tax concessions from government entities in exchange for moving or not moving their workforce. (You see this all the time in sports teems threatening to move if they don’t get a new taxpayer subsidized sports stadium).

I don’t know what the answer is but this extortion puts a bad taste in the mouth, particularly of small businesses who don’t get the offer by who, collectively, employ a lot more people.


30 posted on 12/05/2016 10:30:59 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: MNJohnnie
So I see, you are a moron who failed basic reading comprehension. How sad it must be to be you. You seem to have a dim perception that nature played a cruel trick on you but lack the connective functions to recognize your fundamental idiocy.

Did you even listen to her? If so, what did she say that was wrong?

Here. I'll provide the link again.

KrisAnneHall.com: Studying Independence Pt. 1

31 posted on 12/05/2016 10:35:34 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: MNJohnnie

These issues aren’t really about Trump.
These are issues that have bedeviled conservatives for a long time.

In general, smaller Federal government would help solve a lot of it. But the issue of large businesses extorting States, counties, cities for tax incentives (and other perks) is not going to go away.

This is not just a theoretical problem. Corporations don’t have to locate anywhere in the USA. Even if they have low or no Federal taxes, they still have boatloads of regulations ... and they are still faced with taxes at the State and lower levels. This makes them less competitive with corporations worldwide who do not have the same regulations/taxes.

At the same time, small business gets dinged the worst since they don’t have the leverage to cut deals. Collectively, small business employs more people, but most States/cities/counties chase after the large corporations trying to attract them rather than provide incentives for small businesses to thrive and more of them to be created.


32 posted on 12/05/2016 10:39:14 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: RKBA Democrat

"It makes economic sense." - That's what Castro always said.

33 posted on 12/05/2016 11:30:35 AM PST by Theophilus (The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom)
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To: Theophilus

Except it didn’t.

If you’re wanting to compare Trump to castro, then this probably isn’t the website to do so. I suggest NRO, the weakly standard, or some other hotbed of neocon jackasses.


34 posted on 12/05/2016 3:13:24 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Right versus left is no longer as relevant as Nationalist versus globalist.)
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