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My Experience with the Alt-Right
Townhall.com ^ | December 4, 2016 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 12/04/2016 10:22:12 AM PST by Kaslin

During the last election campaign all of a sudden I kept hearing about the Alt-Right. Since I thought I was pretty well read and had never heard of them, I considered them to have the same social relevance as a Miley Cyrus song. I decided to investigate this supposed social phenomenon as soon as the election was over and I was done writing about real issues important to the campaign.

I started by sending emails to mainstream Republicans asking them if they knew anyone who considered themselves members of the Alt-Right. The answer was a universal no. Then I sent emails to my friends who consider themselves conservative Republicans. These are people I respect, but I consider a little more hardcore. The answer was again we don’t know any of these people.

I did get one positive response suggesting I contact Jon Fleischman, someone I have known for 20 years, who in the past five years or so has been the California editor for Breitbart. I have also written for Jon’s publication Flashreport.org.

Jon is Jewish and works for Breitbart which has been accused of being anti-Semitic. Jon is a pretty knowledgeable guy -- doing his own publication and working for Breitbart -- but was totally ignorant about the Alt-Right. I asked him what he knew about Richard Spencer (someone who has gotten recent publicity as supposedly a leader of the Alt-Right) and he said “Who is he?” He then told me that Breitbart has an intercompany communication system called a Slack Network where they exchange ideas about columns and items to be published at Breitbart. He stated “I have never seen once anything indicating any racist or anti-Semitic attitudes, not once.”

I did have an extended email conversation with a gentleman, who said he was a member of the Alt-Right. His name is John Preston though he told me that was a pseudonym. He is with the Council of Conservative Citizens. He stated he used a pseudonym (as most of the people he knows do) because a lot of people who are members of the Alt-Right are afraid of employment discrimination and other factors. John was very forthcoming and seemingly intelligent. He wrote in a very lucid manner and stated he has been part of this movement for 15 years. He also made clear he has no idea how many people are in the Alt-Right because so much of it is underground.

When I asked Preston why he believes his viewpoints are controversial and not just anti-PC, he answered with this statement: “We stick up for white people. We believe white people have interests, too. It's a big taboo to hold that position in our society. Jewish people can advocate for Jewish interests like a pro-Israel foreign policy. Black people can advocate for black interests. There is an LGBT community now with its interests and public policy agenda. White people though ... that's where the line is drawn. It's *racist* to identify as white, to have a positive sense of white identity, and to advocate on behalf of white interests like reduced immigration or, say, law and order. There are groups like the SPLC which exist to get people fired from their jobs for holding our views. That's why our cause is controversial and our movement has been driven underground. I'm not sure how much longer that can continue though.”

When I asked him about immigration he replied, “It's not because we *hate* foreigners - if they stay in their own countries and act like good neighbors, we are fine with them. I don't have a problem with Mexicans in Mexico. I don't mind foreigners coming here and studying at our universities. Personally, I admire Japan more than any other country in the world.”

“It is because we want to maintain the white majority. We don't want to be overwhelmed in our own countries. The cultural, economic and political consequences of mass immigration are disastrous for us. The Left has told us for 20 years now that White Christian America is being overthrown and washed away by their ‘ascendant majority.’ We take them at their word, believe that it is not in our interests to allow this to happen, and we are determined to stop it.”

I will leave that for you the reader to characterize. This is not necessarily representative of all thought from the people who call themselves the Alt-Right. I will say that he is correct that is not acceptable thought in most mainstream circles today. And I will say that I don’t agree with his positions.

Yes, it is racially biased toward people of European heritage, and some people believe that they cannot be prejudiced against them because of the historical fact that whites have been the majority in the United States. Some analyses have shown that it will not be long before white people are no longer a majority in America.

I am not going to dismiss the fact that there are bigots and anti-Semites on both sides of the political spectrum in this country. This is a country of about 325 million people and there are a lot of people who believe weird things. There are people who think graffiti is art. There are people who think Rap music has some social redemption. I live with that every day. This is a free country and people are free to think really stupid thoughts as long as they don’t act out on those stupid thoughts in a violent manner -- you know, like the “protesters” in Portland.

One political party does everything it can to segregate voters by identity group: Black, Hispanic, Gay, Asian, One-eyed monsters etc. Then those people who dislike those groups will identify naturally with the other political party simply because it doesn’t identify potential voters by groups, but simply suggests policy ideas that will hopefully benefit all.

If fringe people identify with the Republicans, then their candidates must spend their day disavowing ever-stupid thing that come out of these people’s mouths. And if Republicans don’t disavow them quickly enough and with the “right words,” the disavowing is discounted. Nice game the Dems and their friends in the press have going here.

I have no idea really who these people in the Alt-Right are and neither do the people I know who have been involved in Republican politics for many years. That includes people who I consider -- and even they themselves would consider -- pretty hardcore conservatives. To me identifying the people who are actually with the Alt-Right with the Republicans is akin to identifying Hillary Clinton with the Communist Party of America who did endorse her.

This is the United States of America; we are either a center-right nation (which I believe we are) or a center-left nation to which we veer occasionally. But extremism has no relevance on the left or the right of this country. So stop trying to pin extremist on either party. It is unbecoming.


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To: Kaslin
Thanks Kaslin. She had the wild audacity to bring it up in debate. I didn't know what the hell she was talking about. Tea Party I can relate to, this alt-right stuff is different. I guess this thing is the image. A creepy Frog. Whatever



41 posted on 12/04/2016 11:47:01 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: ozzymandus
Apparently a handful of white supremacists are using the title to get publicity.

That's what I've been seeing rooting around on the web. One Swedish dude looks like he's tailoring his appearance to look like Neo-Nazi villains portrayed in Scandinavian dramas.

42 posted on 12/04/2016 11:52:20 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Kaslin

Alt-Right is a term of the Marxists to “group” people and de-legitimize what they say. We have Freedom of Thought in this country no matter how offensive. And if it is the “truth”, well, the “Truth will set us Free”.

All “groupings” are a Marxist intentional psyops to divide so that the elites never lose their stranglehold over the masses and the Truth can be suppressed and Lies continue. Who controls the banks, economy, wars, etc. have controlled ALL the ideas we “can” have for 100 years in America (until the internet). They are out to destroy Western Civilization (Christianity) which is being wiped out of regions, as I type—ever since the Russian Revolution; the Bolsheviks (communism) is the construct of the Illuminati/Lucifereans/Sodomites (Jekyll Island/CFR) group.

For the NWO, Chistianity has to be eliminated bcause it is the only rational religion in the history of mankind—based in history and the Wisdom of the Ages (The Holy Bible) which created concepts of Individualism (Natural Rights from God only-—never the State) and Free Will-—the right to agency (which Marxism/communism never allows).

For the “collective” mindset, Christian theology/philsophy has to be erased for the nihilism of Neitzsche/Fichte, where rule of “law” is of Man-made-up “values” and “lifestyles” (God erased-—no God’s Laws or Natural Rights from Creator-—just from the State).

To demonize White culture is to demonize Christianity and Western Civilization which gave rise to the Age of Reason and Modern Science and the US Constitution. Individualism and Free Will, Chrisitian-only concepts which are ANTITHETICAL to Marxism/socialism/collective (group-think). Reason and Logic in the masses can’t be totally removed until the White race has been relegated to the trash heap of history and with the stake through the heart of Aristotle, Cicero, Locke and Jefferson and, of course, Jesus.

Then only, can you have a BNW of happy Fichte slaves where “snow is black” and Boys are Girls, and Vice is Virtue and Natural Rights from God is all about what the Bible condemns, like baby-killing, pederasty, polygamy, sodomy and other dehumanizing behaviors the elite actively engage in, which will destroy the Natural Family and destroy virtue formation in all children. It will create the Plato’s Republic “utopia” where every child can be programmed by their masters so that their ideology will be sealed in stone-—little interchangeable drones for the elites who are unable to “think” for themselves-—like little tribal minds.

Without Virtue formation in children, there is no Freedom possible. They grow up to have minds like serfs, peasants, 3rd World people, who are just happy with crumbs from their elite masters.

This war is on the White Civilization and the so-called “Alt-Right” is the pushback from annihilation which is the purpose of the Left. No other “group” or country is labeled “racist” except the most diverse and free country in the history of mankind (and created ONLY by White man’s philosophy/Theology because it wasn’t possible with tribal/collective/communal cultures).

The Alt-Right is being unjustly vilified so White people can be discriminated against like it has for 70 years. Truth about Reality—the Laws of Nature and nature’s God (Christianity) can NEVER be embedded in children again. Ideas like those are dangerous to the elite pedophiles who run the World and the child trafficking (UN). People hate the Truth (God) because the Lies and misinformation is always “nicer” (soothes the emotions. The fact that some cultures are better and more free and just, is Fact. Moral Relativism is sacred though and as the pederasts are allowed to have their pizza parties with no outrage-—we see this “hate” for a “group” that only promotes “Truth” which defies the Narrative of the Marxists who want to exterminate God/Christianity and all the philosophy embedded in the US Constitution about Individualism and Free Will.

Collective, one world “group-think” is all that can be allowed in their “utopia” of totalitarianism where all agency of the individuals is destroyed.
Are some “alt-right” truly racist-—yes-—like in all groups, but I find the White race the least “racist” in the history of the World. Most people-—like the Chinese can be extremely racist. Look at their ‘diversity”-—can’t even have it in “thought”.

This attack is about Debate of Ideas-—which is what created Western Civlilzation and made it the most free and just civilization in history. By name-calling and no PUBLIC DEBATE, we destroy “thinking” and the highest levels of thought. That is what Political Correctness (Marxism) is—to destroy debate and demonize individualism/thought (for programming of the children)——programming only emotions, to create hate and no discourse on truth. (No abstract “thinking” allowed).

The truth is hidden (like MSM hides the Truth now which makes the Alt-Right ESSENTIAL). Truth is being outlawed and it will destroy Western Civilization which is built on the Freedom of Ideas and the pursuit of Truth (God). Laws of Nature was ONLY incorporated by Deists and true Christians-—all other ideologies/theologies are irrational utopias, at best.

Truth (God) is necessary for Wisdom (discerning Good and Evil). Marxists wants the State to be god and determine everything—so Up is Down, Sodomy is a Virtue and Boys are Girls so that slavery is normalized.

As all geniuses in Western Civilization have known since the Socratic Revolution, Virtue is necessary for Freedom and without virtue formation in all children (Classical Christian curricula only) there is no ability of critical “thinking” for self-——only programmed brains will exist (emotions will rule reason (puerile males/females are easily controlled since they will be incapable of virtue (abstract thinking) as adults). Devoid of Reason, man is just an animal, to be herded and controlled and culled and bred by the elites (their game-plan).


43 posted on 12/04/2016 11:52:45 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: SE Mom
What was missing was any sense of being American. If you’re not white, you shouldn’t be here.

Scratch the facade a little and you'll find a very narrow definition of white. My Italian/Polish background lets me out.

44 posted on 12/04/2016 11:59:01 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Kaslin

alt right versus ultraleft


45 posted on 12/04/2016 12:10:03 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Where's Hillary?)
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To: Kaslin
i always looked at it as the new young right, there are millions of them, definitely not GOPe types, maybe too young to be a TeaPartier but sick to death of the status quo and that just scared the sh!t out of the left so it HAD to be demonized

self identity is OK and they should NOT let the left frame the narrative or the movement

46 posted on 12/04/2016 12:27:36 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: Kaslin

“Alt-Right” is a scam.

More...

F A K E . N E W S

I have never heard this term before a month or so ago.

It’s a way to say “KKK”, they’re a member, without using the KKK name.

It’s use is pure propaganda.

Guess why this guy will only use a pseudonym. It’s a Leftist operative.

There hasn’t been an Alt-Right for fifteen years.

There has never been an Alt-Right.

Folks on this forum would know about it if anyone did. Thy would have been recruited.

This is a snow-flake wrapped in a propaganda cell existing in an enigma.


47 posted on 12/04/2016 12:37:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Chode

This is not a personal identity.

This is a label thought up by Leftists, to denigrate Conservatives.

We should have no part of it.

Some will glom on to it with pride, and give the Left credence. Don’t do it folks.


48 posted on 12/04/2016 12:40:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Stentor

I suppose you’re right. Sickening.

Speaking of. Where I grew up in New England we were a mixed bag of various ancestors. Poles, Germans, Scots, Italian, Portuguese and French. Toss in some blacks and jews..we were a grand mess! I remember on special holidays grandmothers were busy cooking wonderful meals from :
“The homeland”...I loved being invited to “eat over”.

These same grandparents ate mac n cheese, burgers n fries, and assorted other “American” foods. They adopted our traditions as we incorporated theirs. They were proud of their heritage. And more proud to be us, American.

And like your family, over time we’ve all married each other. Wonderful, and American.


49 posted on 12/04/2016 12:46:17 PM PST by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: DoughtyOne
on the other hand, like Deplorable, if it's embraced it can be made ineffective
50 posted on 12/04/2016 12:49:33 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: Morpheus2009
Created? No. Exaggerated? Most definitely. It would not surprise me if the total membership in the KKK now was under one thousand. Other extremist groups? I would expect a similar near extinction numbers. Look, this nation could be domestically peaceful if the political hacks weren’t raving about boogeymen.
YOU ARE STILL CRYING WOLF (About Trump “Racism")

51 posted on 12/04/2016 12:51:49 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: Chode

Alt-Right means racist...

You think taking that name proudly, improves our position?

Then gladly letting them call us KKK members should too.

No.


52 posted on 12/04/2016 12:52:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Chode
I'm glad I read all the way through. Just like some of us older folks have embraced “Deplorable” - the younger generation (my kids - millennials) have grabbed onto the alt-right label. I view it as mainly internet stuff (hence the “alt-right” label), often in-your-face, some foul language, but also getting the facts out to the younger generation in a way they can relate to. I haven't seen any of this “white race” stuff.

“Not your father's Buick.”

53 posted on 12/04/2016 1:01:06 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Kaslin
The alt right is the Politically Incorrect right

We have had a right that has been politically correct..and this political correctness itself is defined by the left

This it root of the term "cuckservative" a hybrid of conservative and cuckold (an emasculated man )

So in effect alt right is the right unchained from PC any PC.

So it is the wild west a new frontier. Mostly good characters..but like any New Frontier there's some unsavoury characters at the fringes...

In a way is a mirror of the internet when it started or this site when is starting first completely open and later we had to cull out some of the fringe characters.... this is typical of any new movement or Revolution...

54 posted on 12/04/2016 1:03:08 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: DoughtyOne
the term has been around for several years, it doesn't mean anything specific... racist is what the left SAYS it means

look at what they said about the Tea Party, same-same

some racists call themselves Alt-Right, they are also the same ones that call themselves REPUBLICANS

i refuse to let the left frame the narrative

55 posted on 12/04/2016 1:03:19 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: DoughtyOne

BTTT


56 posted on 12/04/2016 1:04:09 PM PST by Kaslin (Most humans have an attention span of about 10 minutes, after that they will revert to daydreaming)
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To: 21twelve
100%!!!
57 posted on 12/04/2016 1:05:19 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: tophat9000
thank you,,,
58 posted on 12/04/2016 1:06:55 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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To: Kaslin

Thank you.


59 posted on 12/04/2016 1:14:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (jcon40, "Are we be coming into the age of Sanity?")
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To: Pollster1

Agreed. “Ctrl-Left” makes their mouths foam. It’s amusing to watch.


60 posted on 12/04/2016 1:19:14 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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