Posted on 11/27/2016 6:55:28 AM PST by Kaslin
When people speak of Hillary Clinton winning the popular vote, they are really speaking about California. In that state, Hillary Clinton won 6,621,346 votes to Donald Trump's 3,549,576 as of this writing. This margin of over three million votes alone accounts for any claim that Clinton exceeded Trump in popular support.
Consider some numbers. In New York, Trump won 37.5% of the vote; in New Jersey, Trump won over 40%; and in Illinois, Trump won 39.4%. Among sizably populated states that lean "overwhelmingly" Democrat, California is in a class by itself. Trump struggled to get even a third of Californian votes.
Moreover, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois differ markedly from California because their tilt toward the Democrats happens on a very different landscape. New York and Illinois are pushed into deep blue territory by singular metro areas (NYC and Chicago), which overpower small-town areas ("upstate" or "downstate") where Republicans gather in strong numbers. New Jersey is wedged between the Democratic machine cities of Philadelphia and New York City and has a smattering of medium-sized urban centers with large black populations.
Only in California does one find a vast state with a huge population (nearly 40 million people) with multiple sprawling metro areas that all lean strongly Democratic or, at best (in the case of San Diego), just libertarian enough to be less than completely left wing. The San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, Sacramento, Palm Springs, Long Beach, etc. stretch across miles and miles of a complex and diverse landscape, hosting a stunning multiplicity of races and ethnicities. Yet everywhere you go in the state, you seem to find Democrats or Republicans who just don't strike you as all that conservative.
California is a different country.
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This should be handled the same way it was handled 150 years ago. With the difference being that we shouldn’t fight to keep californication in the union.
If californication wants to go into rebellion, so be it. The red counties of Californication will be allowed to secede from the state, and in turn be readmitted to the union as a separate state. The republic of californication can have a narrow strip of coast with no fresh water, no military to speak of, and no future.
I beg to differ. Inland California is FULL of illegals. I live in the Central Valley and should know. All the small towns are now 90% or more Mexicans from illegal immigration.
“Let them try? absolutely, as is their right.”...
Who REALLY cares if they do go? When and should Trump cut off all funding for their numerous sanctuary cities, they will be broke and the whiners will cry like hell to get back Into the U.S. There are consequences.
You missed the point
If California were to secede:
During Week One, Colorado would start charging market rates for river water.
During Week Two, the southern half of the state would become the newest province of Mexico.
During Week Three, we’d have to start building a new border wall.
There are a lot of small towns up and down the central valley where not one word of English is spoken outside school hours.
California has three industries that can't be moved: agriculture, oil, and shipping. You will find a lot of the sane people in California working in these industries. On the other hand, there is no reason that California's other economic icons, the film and tech industries, need to stay. I gather that California has been steadily losing market share in film production. Other tech hubs are rising around the country. When push comes to shove, the big tech firms can flee California just as easily as the big banks and financial firms can flee NYC. There are historical and cultural attachments, and logistical costs to any change, but these industries are inherently mobile.
Why should the Americans let go of the best part of their land?
Because the Orks from the country next door insist that it’s theirs?
Mexico is the problem in California. Any real nation would have declared war against them a long time ago.
Win that war and California becomes American again.
You ever studied geography? Florida, the entire east coastline up up to Virginia? The gulf states? You forget they have seas too?
I say isolate them and let them survive on their own and have to deal with us as another country. It won’t be long before we start getting some super-ports in the gulf and other places.
BTW, secession was the Union’s interpretation of a rebellion. It was not the interpretation of dealing with a region that freely joined a union without expectation that they could NEVER decide to leave. That concept of permanent entanglement is just as bad as slavery.
Those people move to another County to get free lunch, and demand special treatments.
I know that. The small town I grew up in that was full of migrant Okies and Arkies is now 99% Hispanic. All the small towns surrounding Bakersfield are.
Film production? Oh, California will retain the porn industry; the dingbat voters in that idiot state just voted in a statewide plebescite NOT to require porn actors to wear condoms. All the important issues are addressed in that state . . .
The Colorado River Compact should be revoked and California excluded from it.
Why? Because the other states have no obligation to hand over water under color of U.S. law to a lawless state populated to a significant degree by non-Americans.
Same with the power agreements. California sucks power from all the Western states because they refuse to build the capacity for themselves.
“: We fought one war over secession and would fight another.”
Who is this “we” you speak of? “We” meaning the rest of the American populace are not going to willingly spill a drop of American blood to keep the bathhouse republic in the union. They have no militia, no leverage to speak of. Any “independence” granted will be on terms that are extremely unfavorable to them. If that’s what californication wants, then so be it.
Thank you, Gaffer. California back in the old days wasn’t such a hell hole, and a lot of us are stuck here until we assume room temperature. Trump doesn’t need California, but we SURE need him!
Why? Why would we want to even keep californication? That’s the difference between 1861 and today: most Americans would be delighted to see the bathhouse republic go.
Secession is as basic a human right as joining a union. Secession is full of more issues than joining, but it should be allowed for a free people in a geographic area.
Secession is a signicant check on Federal power, which, as Obama is proving, can go otherwise unchecked.
For example, if Hillary and Soros somehow stole this election next month, how would you feel about it?
They're just Mexicans. They aren't a mixture of South and Central American ethnicities; all the others are about 5% of the total.
Just Mexicans, doing the parasite play they did to the Toltecs and the Spaniards: living on the fringes, surviving on scraps, waiting for the day they can overrun and collapse the better civilizations they simply can't conceive of or create.
The we are the Unionists; i.e. one nation undivided.
My husband is from Michigan’s U.P. Gorgeous place, gorgeous people. No crazies there.
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