Posted on 11/26/2016 4:47:07 PM PST by Kaslin
Well, it seems the 2016 election will take another annoying and unnecessary turn since Wisconsin has granted Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s petition to recount the votes, despite no fraud or voter discrepancies that would warrant such a course of action. Yet, one thing is driving liberals insane to no end: Donald Trump won the election. Stein also got back up from the Reform Party, whose candidate; Rocky De La Fuente also filed a recount petition (via WaPo):
An election recount will take place soon in Wisconsin, after former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein filed a petition Friday with the state’s Election Commission, the first of three states where she has promised to contest the election result.
The move from Stein, who raised millions since her Wednesday announcement that she would seek recounts of Donald Trump’s apparent election victories in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, came just 90 minutes before Wisconsin’s 5 p.m. Friday deadline to file a petition. Now it will keep some hope alive for many Hillary Clinton supporters for another few weeks while Wisconsin recounts ballots before a Dec. 13 deadline.
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To be on the safe side, the group of experts urged a recount — but it was Stein’s campaign that ended up demanding one, soliciting at first $2.5 million and later up to $7 million to fund the recounts. As of Friday evening, Stein’s campaign reported taking in over $5.25 million in recount-related donations — the most by a third-party candidate in history.
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In a statement, Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator Michael Haas guessed that the cost and complexity of the recount would be in excess of the state’s last recount in 2011, which carried a price tag of more than $520,000. In that recount over a state Supreme Court seat, the commission had to recount 1.5 million votes — about half the 2.975 million ballot votes that were cast during the 2016 presidential election.
“The commission is preparing to move forward with a statewide recount of votes for president of the United States, as requested by these candidates,” Haas added. Christine wrote yesterday how Stein pushed back the fundraising goal post, adding that this whole exercise looks like a giant fundraising scheme for the Green Party. Now, the former chair of the FEC said that he doubts the funds raised by Stein could be used for anything other than the recount effort, but this is just absolute cruelty being inflicted on Democrats by the Greens.
Former FEC Chairman @michaeletoner tells me he "doubts" FEC would allow Stein to use recount $$ for other activities pic.twitter.com/cBKjTFqhs4— Alexandra Jaffe (@ajjaffe) November 26, 2016
It’s tapping into the Kool-Aid of the liberal bubble that truly thinks something went wrong for Clinton to lose, because why wouldn’t a candidate, who is a liar, untrustworthy, dishonest, widely unpopular, and ignored millions of voters lose an election? Clinton’s entire narrative for her email server was a lie, her inability to actually own it only further destroyed her trust numbers with voters (and it mattered), the more she talked or was seen, the more people hated her, and she decided that white working class voters weren’t worth it. On top of that, her campaign thought the Obama people would turn out for her in record numbers, and that this unbeatable coalition would trounce Trump over his past colorful remarks. Nope. Millions of Obama voters flipped for Trump, Clinton’s own turnout operation may have driven Trump supporters to the polls, and many Democrats in the famed Blue Wall states stayed home. It’s that last part that the Left doesn’t seem to get.
She lost, guys. Even Philip Bump and Dave Weigel at The Washington Post noted that a) we’ve all seen this movie before with the same results; b) a recount wouldn’t unearth these shoddy allegations of voter fraud; and c) Clinton simply lost because she couldn’t get people energized in the areas that ultimately mattered. As with anything where competition is a factor, upsets can occur:
Via Philip Bump:
Clinton lost the election because it was close enough in those Midwestern states for her to lose. Because, as Nate Silver was noting even before Election Day, her firewall in those states was much shakier than it was for Barack Obama. Because her get-out-the-vote operation was not all it was cracked up to be.
She lost, in other words, because she got fewer votes where it counted. That was a surprise, and surprises can be awfully hard to accept.
Via Weigel:
The Green Party has done this before, to little result. In 2004, when many Democrats asked whether Ohio had been lost to voter suppression, the Green Party teamed up with the Libertarian Party to pay for a recount. David Cobb, the then-presidential candidate for the Green Party, had not even appeared on Ohio's ballot, but he helped raise $150,000 to start the recount process. “Due to widespread reports of irregularities in the Ohio voting process,” said Cobb and Michael Badnarik, the then-presidential candidate for the Libertarian Party, “we are compelled to demand a recount of the Ohio presidential vote. Voting is the heart of the democratic process in which we as a nation put our faith.”
The result: Democrat John F. Kerry gained a bit less than 300 votes on George W. Bush, making virtually no difference in the margin.
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The inspiration for the recount: Theories ranging from sketchy to debunked. In 2004, Greg Palast was the most prominent of several analysts arguing that more Ohio voters intended to elect Kerry than Bush, but enough ballots were rejected and spoiled to stop them. He did similar work in the run-up to 2016, warning that voter suppression was going to “steal the vote” in key states.
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Palast has celebrated and promoted the new effort, which could turn up additional votes as ballots are re-scanned. But the recount won attention because of an unrelated theory: That electronic voting machines might have been attacked by hackers. The Twitter hashtag #AuditTheVote was trending days before the Stein campaign began, and stories of how machines could be hacked have begun being shared again.
But voting machines can't be hacked from afar, and the people with the most to lose — Democrats, who literally lost — haven't been convinced that machines were hacked. They closely monitored Election Day, with volunteers at every swing state polling place, as is customary.
The Greens themselves have not endorsed any theory of what went wrong. The closest they've come was in Stein's RT interview, where she said “reports have come in from cyber experts, from security experts and others.” There you go.
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If the election were hacked, a recount couldn't prove it. Most of Pennsylvania voters use DRE (direct record electronic) machines, with no paper ballot whatsoever. In other races where those machines have been probed — like Virginia's 2005 attorney general contest — the recount has consisted of the machine results simply being scanned again. The lost/spoiled votes Palast has talked about are not part of that system. (Meanwhile, nearly every Michigan vote has a paper record.)
Weigel added that even Clintonites feel this is a colossal waste of time. In short, where Clinton did poorly, rural counties used electronic ballots, whereas the urban areas used paper. Nate Cohn of The New York Times tweeted that Trump did well in Minnesota and he won Iowa decisively, both of which use paper ballots. So, there’s nothing suspicious going on here, folks. It’s a bunch of losers trying to keep this notion that Trump didn’t win alive. It’s just getting to be sad at this point.
Technically, it NEVER has to be completed!
The legislature can appoint the Electors themselves if neccessary.
“2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.”
Now, in practice... the Electors meet on *December 19th* this year to cast their votes. So it should be done before then.
Other things can appear, too. I “believe” this hasn’t tapped into any of the absentee (e.g. military) votes yet either.
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I think they were counted. This event won’t change the outcome but rather give the naysayers something to complain about, imo.
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After people signed into Wisconsin’s My Vote website to check the status of their vote, an error message appeared and a box indicating their absentee ballot had been recorded was blank.
But all absentee ballots were included in the results of the 2016 election, Reid Magney, state Elections Commission spokesman, said.
After the election is over, municipal clerks go through the thousands of names of voters in the polling books and record them online, Magney said.
“After the election, they have workers who sit with barcode scanners and scan in the barcodes of everybody who voted,” Magney said. “That process can take up to 45 days.”
Voter participation in each municipality for this election will be updated online after all the votes are recorded.
In Wisconsin, 828,451 absentee ballots were submitted, making up about 28 percent of the state’s total vote compared to 21.57 percent of the total vote during the 2012 election.
http://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-absentee-voters-worried-ballots-didnt-count-results-tally
OK, will grant that. It’s like a stop sign. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go after you have stopped. Normally, you will.
There’s no sense in wetting our powder with our sweat.
Nonsense.
The legislature can appoint electors.
I said anyhow, sit TIGHT.
Hold on to the chair... the vehicle may move violently and we need to be still poised in that chair.
Reading pessimistic things into what people say is part of singing the song of woe.
That’s true... it would be one way of untangling the mess. And it might not even need to be partisan, if Wisconsin simply wants a seemly result.
It could be a long drawn out drama. I hope it doesn’t waste hundreds of hours of Freeper time.
Go read post 5.
You said sit tight and watch
Post 5
You have to be so right that you push your pessimism on everybody else, assuming they mean the worst possible thing.
I know what that’s like, I have been there and done that.
Go run around with hair on fire then, if you choose. But don’t forget what you were told when you discover the consequences and see what you ought to have noticed but never did.
I am now going to follow my own advice and watch it dawn on you... which it WILL.
Indeed.
How is it that Democrat operatives will be conducting the recount? Or is that supposition? The governor of the state is a Republican. Typically Electoral Boards are chosen by both parties with the governor’s party have one more board member.
At our polling place, and I imagine throughout Virginia, a member of each major party is required to sign the official tallies that get called into the electoral board. The ballots are secured in a sealed box then taken to the government center.
We may see some amusing activity from Madistan, Wisconsin.
The left are spectacle hounds and picking Wisconsin is possibly one reason for this.
Vehicle may move violently. Keep seat belt on and tightly fastened and observe the signs overhead for further instructions if needed. However we have tested this flight system for conditions worse than this and it has always gotten to the destination.
... one RESULT of this...
Maybe she didn’t make a campaign appearance because she thought she had it sufficiently rigged....then too late, realized this was a landslide and they didn’t put in enough fraudulent votes to make it a sure thing.
The county clerk and 2 qualified electors of the county appointed by the clerk constitute the county board of canvassers. The state is run by Democrats.
Possibly, had a ground game by proxy going that was being told that Wisconsin was a safe ball into the left pocket. Again, the hidden Trump votes and the nonsensical profile of support for Hillary (almost as many men as for Trump) that went unnoticed.
So when the Badger State went for the honey badger it was a surprise.
” It takes a special kind of stupid for anyone to pretend that hacking or voter fraud was responsible for Clinton’s loss in a state where she didn’t even make a single campaign appearance after she was nominated. “
they are probably going to stretch out the recount long enough to delay the certification of the electors for Trump’s victory. they are probably also generating fraudulent new paper ballots as you read this in order to throw the election results into the US Supreme Court.
“This is nothing more than an opportunistic cash grab by Jill Stein, striking while the iron is hot with insincere promises of a magical election do-over.”
That’s what I have been seeing too.
It’ll be a sabotage effort for certain.
Captain Donald Trump is going to have to navigate through this storm. He has been helped by God before... God is not unwilling to keep helping as long as we keep praying in faith for the grace. In fact this whole scenario looks like it will be part of how God is going to get the prayer engine of America (and Israel, who does not want to see a Hillary disaster happen to its best material and spiritual supporter) tuned up better. It’ll need it. We have worse enemies than even the Rats in Wisconsin yet to be vanquished.
I say it’s going to be some white knuckle moments. But IF WE KEEP FAITHFUL we’re going to see, once more, win, win, win, win, win, and more win.
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