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A Better Way to Pick the Next President: The National Popular Vote Compact
Daily Beast ^ | November 25, 2016 | Karen Hobert Flynn

Posted on 11/25/2016 4:02:16 PM PST by C19fan

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To: C19fan

The commie fags would love this “better way”.


61 posted on 11/25/2016 5:09:57 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (A proud, irredeemable deplorable of the Trump Revolution.)
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To: C19fan

While you’re at it figure out a way where only legal citizens can vote. The vote margin in LA county alone is almost the entire klintoon lead.


62 posted on 11/25/2016 5:12:48 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Caipirabob
Bow down to your population heavy overlords, flyover country colonies! New York, Chicago and Los Angeles will decide the future of the entire country regardless of what the peasants want.

Actually, the "country" might be better off with the "flyover states" being left out of the decision to elect the president.

Because...

That would trigger, again, the concerns that the founding fathers had when they decided on the presidency being decided by the electoral college.

AND...

If the electoral college is eliminated, and the popular vote becomes the sole method for electing the president, and the coastal "blue states" were to become the "permanent majority" that elects ALL presidents...

then...

The "flyover states" would have indisputable grounds for secession from the union... like "taxation without representation" being one of those grievances...

All of which would bring about a destruction of the country, and the creation of several independent countries, where California could become the "Socialist State of Mexifornia", and New York (and perhaps other northeastern states) could create the "Europe of the Americas"...

And...

The "flyover states could band together to become the "new" United States of America.

The losers would be California and NY and the currently heavily blue states, where they would lose, not only a huge amount of their populations fleeing to the new U.S., but those "blue" independent countries would also see most of their businesses fleeing to the "formerly flyover" land of the U.S.

So, it's the democrats who should be careful what they wish for, because, they will get it, for certain, with the elimination of the electoral college.

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63 posted on 11/25/2016 5:14:43 PM PST by adorno (w)
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To: All

You could always consider starting over again with only invited states or portions of states (county by county). My guess is the new California would have about 20 electoral college votes and the revised New York about 20 also. As to the seven or eight large cities that would go their own way, sayonara and good luck. At least they would have diversity (and adversity no doubt).


64 posted on 11/25/2016 5:23:23 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (Listen for my radio call-in program on channel A in your brain, yes caller ... I'm listening)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Yes-—the elite sodomite psychopaths become our Masters. They can control all the mainstream information centers and schools and program the ignorant masses, who are the useful idiots of the criminal satanists (pedophiles). Anything they “normalize” or adore in media/TV/Movies becomes the POPULAR “choice” of the ignorant masses.


65 posted on 11/25/2016 5:25:40 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: C19fan
[Please excuse the length of the posts I'm about to make. I recently discussed this topic on another forum, though, and have lots of relevant material to cite.]

The main reason to have an electoral college is to have a country. The small states wouldn't have joined the Union in the first place if the legislature and presidency had been based entirely on population. Likewise the United Nations (which has much less power over the people than a country does) wouldn't exist if China and India could outvote us all. People won't willingly give up their right to self determination and place their trust (and their fate) in large populations in distant places. That was true when the Constitution was ratified, and it's true now.

The Constitution says, "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress..." That formula represents a compromise between the large and small states, with the Representatives being based on population and the Senators having equal representation for each state.

66 posted on 11/25/2016 5:31:16 PM PST by GJones2 (The electoral college is needed, else parts of this country will seek independence)
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The electoral college is a reflection of the bicameral legislature, with equal power being given to the Senate, which is not based on population. If it's unfair to have an electoral college (partially based on population) pick the President and Vice President, then having a Senate in which both large and small states are limited to only two Senators is even more unfair.

Yes, people in large states do have a legitimate complaint about an individual's vote for President there not being worth as much as one in a small state. That's the price of having a Union, though. What would be even more unfair would be for people in small states to be dominated by larger populations in distant states that may not care about their somewhat differing interests (and the greater the differences between the populations the greater the inequity).

That's why we fought the American Revolution in the first place, so as to be free of the domination of a distant larger population (in Great Britain). That's why during the last couple of centuries a long series of wars of self determination have been fought around the globe. War is likely to be the ultimate outcome when small populations are dominated by distant larger ones from whom they feel a sense of alienation.

67 posted on 11/25/2016 5:32:06 PM PST by GJones2 (The electoral college is needed, else parts of this country will seek independence)
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To: GJones2
Some relevant historical material: Our current compromise in the make-up of the legislature (and consequently in electoral college representation) is the result of a melding of two proposed plans in the Constitutional Convention. The Virginia Plan -- from representatives of what was then the most populous state (and a slave state) -- proposed a legislature based entirely on population, with the Senate likewise reflecting the proportional population of the House. The plan from the northern state of New Jersey advocated the position of the small states.

"The New Jersey Plan (also widely known as the Small State Plan or the Paterson Plan) was a proposal for the structure of the United States Government presented by William Paterson at the Constitutional Convention on June 15, 1787.[1] The plan was created in response to the Virginia Plan, which called for two houses of Congress, both elected with apportionment according to population.[2] The less populous states were adamantly opposed to giving most of the control of the national government to the more populous states, and so proposed an alternative plan that would have kept the one-vote-per-state representation under one legislative body from the Articles of Confederation."[Wikipedia]

"At the time of the convention, the South was growing more quickly than the North, and Southern states had the most extensive Western claims. South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia were small in the 1780s, but they expected growth, and thus favored proportional representation. New York was one of the largest states at the time, but two of its three representatives (Hamilton being the exception) favored an equal representation per state, as part of their desire to see maximum autonomy for the states." [Wikipedia]

68 posted on 11/25/2016 5:34:30 PM PST by GJones2 (The electoral college is needed, else parts of this country will seek independence)
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> "As part of the compromise, southern states included slaves in their population, giving them more congressional districts even as they denied slaves the right to vote." [The Daily Beast]

It was the Southern slave states that favored representation proportional to population (what the author at The Daily Beast is supporting), and the Northern states that wanted equal representation for each state. The author's phrasing is misleading. It gives the false impression that Southern states favored the non-population-based aspects of the electoral college.

We wouldn't have a country if it weren't for the Connecticut Compromise, which combined the large-state supported House (based on population) and the small-state supported Senate (with equal representation for each state). The electoral college reflects that compromise.

69 posted on 11/25/2016 5:35:51 PM PST by GJones2 (The electoral college is needed, else parts of this country will seek independence)
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To: C19fan

Here’s an ACTUAL better way to pick the next President: submit all candidates for a background check entitled “Yankee Clear”, harder than even the “Yankee White” check merely for being NEAR the President. They will look for any signs of undue foreign influence from hidden bank accounts to outright Manchurian Candidates like Obama. If a prospective candidate fails the check their citizenship is revoked, bank accounts frozen, and they are put on a 1-way ticket out of the United States with whatever they can carry. Alone.

If that seems harsh, I will merely say that in saner days a similar failure would likely have one tried for treason or shot as a spy. ‘Merely’ getting shipped out was considered a MILD punishment for attempting to undermine a nation’s highest office.


70 posted on 11/25/2016 5:36:58 PM PST by Laser_Ray
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To: C19fan

How does a recount work? All 50 states + DC? Sure, there won’t be fraud during the recount.


71 posted on 11/25/2016 5:44:39 PM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: C19fan

What’s interesting about the popular vote is that the conservatives (DJT and Gary Johnson - former republican governor - and Evan mcmullin - the potential spoiler from Utah that is also a lifetime republican) won over the “progressive” left.

62.3 DJT
4.4 Gary Johnson
.6 Evan mcmullin

Total = 67.3

64.4 HRC
1.4 Jill stein

Total = 65.8

Not meaningful because the electoral college, but it is a point that totally shut down the “Hillary won the popular vote” canard at the thanksgiving table yesterday.


72 posted on 11/25/2016 6:01:19 PM PST by Trump Republican
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To: C19fan

It’s nonsense because you can have an LA, Phila. or Miami manufacturing votes or letting illegals vote.


73 posted on 11/25/2016 6:04:28 PM PST by BeadCounter ( Drain The Swamp!)
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To: C19fan

The article repeats the fallacy that “25 states had nothing to do in picking the President”.

When in fact, it is the Electoral college that ensures that all 50 states had an important role.

What they MEAN is that 25 states were not competitive, so they were not innundated with advertisements. But that doesn’t mean that had nothing to do — the people in those states got to pick their candidates, and the candidate that was the most popular in each of those states got their electoral votes. And in many cases, that gave them a president they wanted.

If the had not voted, but the minority population in their states had voted, the other candidate would have one their electoral votes.

One of the great things about the electoral college is that it makes sure your vote isn’t diluted by liberal voting laws in other states, or rich people in other states who can afford to take time off from work to vote, or states which do a lousy job of keeping non-qualified people from voting.

Nope — your state has X electoral votes, and if in your state they restrict voting, or the weather interferes, or your state is so rural, that only 50% of the voting age population can make it to vote while 70% of the voting age population of California votes, your vote still counts for the correct amount based on your overall population.


74 posted on 11/25/2016 6:06:04 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: C19fan

It’s not our fault they are only able to set up camps of leftist indoctrination in very narrow geographical areas. It’s hard to defend a radical, reality-denying movement over a large area of territory for a reason.


75 posted on 11/25/2016 6:10:24 PM PST by JediJones (We must deport all liberals until we can figure out what the hell is going on.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yep, Wisconsin shows that. Just because no one advertises in a state doesn’t mean that state isn’t free to change their vote to the opposite of what they normally do.


76 posted on 11/25/2016 6:11:24 PM PST by JediJones (We must deport all liberals until we can figure out what the hell is going on.)
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To: Trump Republican

Don’t forget the Constitution party which had the next biggest showing.


77 posted on 11/25/2016 6:12:40 PM PST by JediJones (We must deport all liberals until we can figure out what the hell is going on.)
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To: C19fan

Article I, Section 10 violation.


78 posted on 11/25/2016 6:14:56 PM PST by NonValueAdded (#DeplorableMe #BitterClinger #HillNO! #MyPresident #MAGA)
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To: C19fan

We are a free republic, not a democracy.

The electoral college showed again the brilliance of our founders. All of Clinton’s popular vote advantage came from THREE counties. Los Angeles in California, and Bronx and Queens in New York.


79 posted on 11/25/2016 6:32:55 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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80 posted on 11/25/2016 6:34:04 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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