Posted on 09/22/2016 10:05:59 AM PDT by jennychase
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT A woman was unconscious at a Family Dollar in Lawrence, Massachusetts She needed two Narcan doses so she could be revived and her bag was revealed to contain straws and baggies with drug residue The woman was identified as 36-year-old Mandy McGowen She's going to be charged with child endangerment and her daughter 's in custody with the Department of Children and Families
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Drug dealers should be shot..
Most start in High school or College
I know a girl that started at 12 with wine
been in rehab many times
Stay clean a year or so and it starts again
Now it is heroin
I believe that......IMO stop giving them the drug to snap them out of it...it simply enables them to continue because any even have the drug themselves to bring them out of it. If they die they die....
Legalize it man... what could go wrong. .
“People choose to overuse opiates so they end up addicted.”
Sure, some do. I think, however, many more people simply don’t realize how addictive they are until it is too late, and that is mainly a failure of the doctors to advise their patients of the risks.
Bingo!
There is a definitely genetic component, some are more susceptible than others, some are even completely immune. But the doctors have a part of the blame too. They’re the one subscribing stuff they KNOW is addictive willy nilly for any ache or pain. Imagine if your back pain wasn’t mild enough to only need medication a couple of times a month, but was instead something you needed to medicate almost every day. Chances are you’d be addicted inside of 6 months, chemically addicted drugs are addictive for everybody that doesn’t have the lucky gene combo. Or maybe they aren’t luck, one of the interesting parts about that gene set is that the more susceptible to addiction you are the more resistant to other negative effects you are, the people who don’t get addicted have a much lower toxic dose. For everybody else it’s not if but when, if you have to take it everybody you will be addicted, period. And of course since one of the withdrawal symptoms is pain, you can see where kicking the painkiller heroin habit is pretty tough, not only are you no longer controlling the original pain, your body gives you MORE pain on top of it.
Also society has a major portion of the blame. We’re the ones that have decided to use a highly addictive drug as our primary painkiller and shun a not addictive drug (marijuana) that’s almost as effective at pain relief. We’ve picked our poison, and then we blame the people who get sick.
Exactly. Let them buy their own Narcan.
Exactly. Whatever damage you want to do to yourself is your business, but let someone else have those children.
I still disagree on blaming doctors and society.
People need to be accountable for their own actions.
Too many people blame others for their own poor choices.
We only have the Bushes and Clintons (to a lesser degree) to blame for this latest epidemic of cheap and potent heroin. Most of us can recall in the initial phase of the Afghan war calls for eradication of the poppy plantations and G.W. ordered them not to be touched as this was Afghanistan’s major income stream, astounding.
Afghanistan produces 90% of the worlds illicit opium. I don’t care if it’s there major source of income or not. Just wrap your head around the logic here. Of course we aren’t even talking about the money trail here just the logic.
I was watching a National Geographic documentary last week on troops in Afghanistan and they started showing poppy plantations. One sergeant started saying the “we can’t stop them from growing poppies and harvesting opium as it’s their major source of income”. I’m not knocking the troops because they have been indoctrinated in this PC bulls#!t, but marinate on that. It’s ok to allow them to produce this evil product to support their economy all the while destroying millions of lives world wide, not considering the economic and social impact around the world.
This blew my mind so much I had to turn the show off before I started losing respect for our troops. I don’t care if the lights go out in Afghanistan and people are forced to eat dirt and live in caves, you cannot justify to me the production of opium because it’s a major source of income for a third world s#!thole that we invaded. Why are we even there? I would just as soon spray the whole country with Paraquat and leave, than I would keep our troops there.
Ok, rant over and yes I’m pi$$ed.
If you think people are just waking up in the morning and deciding “hey I think I’ll become addicted to opiates today”, you’re kidding yourself. They aren’t choosing that, they simply don’t realize until it is too late how dangerous these substances are.
If doctors were doing their job, people would be apprised of the dangers, but obviously, that isn’t happening.
Since when is following doctor’s orders something people should be held accountable for?
Here’s the situation if your back ever goes to needing meds daily:
The doctors will have prescribed you a drug the KNOW with absolute certainty is addictive and instructed you to take it daily, possibly even more than once a day
they also know that chronic use builds tolerance, now people like to think of drug tolerance as being able to take higher doses without dying what they ignore is that you also NEED to take higher doses to have any effect
they also know that eventually the dose you will need to have any effect will exceed legally allows them to prescribe, and that long before that days comes you will be an addict
and they also know there’s a non-addictive solution which they refuse to prescribe because only “bad people” want that
How is it your fault if you go down that path? You didn’t ask for chronic pain. You didn’t ask the doctor to prescribe the worst possible solution to your chronic pain. You’re just doing what you’re told by people with expert knowledge who took an oath specifically saying they wouldn’t do harm, an oath they are clearly violating by giving you that prescription.
Have you seen the commercials on TV for opioid constipation? They’re disturbing. Not because of the commercials, they’re no worse than any other commercial that involves poo. What’s disturbing is opioid constipation is mostly a problem for the addicted, it’s one of the reasons diarrhea is one of the withdrawal symptoms, most casual users (that’s you) don’t have the problem, worst case scenario they just wait until a day they don’t need their pain pill. This is a pill specifically for the side effects of having deliberately addicted people to painkillers. Think about it, there’s enough of those people out there to be an identifiable market demographic with products and advertising catered to their needs.
People do need to be held accountable. And that INCLUDES the doctors that are knowingly creating millions of addicts. And the society that thinks that’s OK all the way up until the people are addicted.
“Why aren’t those people at an NA meeting?”
Because AA is much more widely available. In our meeting hall, there are 45 AA meetings per week, and just one NA meeting.
Plus the “quality” of recovery is felt by many to be better,in AA.
And finally there is less of a distinction between use of alcohol, versus various drugs.
I am merely an olde school recovered alcoholic. Never used drugs much, or had a particular desire to.
But I have met many who used both to serious addiction levels, and got clean and sober with AA.
Twenty years ago many “pure alcoholics” wanted to exclude the “druggies” from AA, but not so much any more.
I don’t see people who are in unbearable everyday pain as addicts.
They are simply trying to treat their pain.
I had a very painful surgery and was taking vicodin for about a solid month.
When the pain was gone I was able to stop taking it easily.
What burns me up about the opiate debate is how people in chronic pain are called drug seekers due to the few who abuse their meds.
We have to jump through hoops to buy certain decongestants just because a few fools cook meth. I believe some products have been banned totally because of that.
The government is too involved in our everyday choices.
If a few people make bad choices why should everyone else be punished for it?
One guy goes on a shooting rampage so people think guns should be banned. I don’t believe anyone here would agree with that. Is it the gun manufacturer’s fault or is the gun shop to blame? Is the government to blame because they won’t ban guns?
No. One guy chose to go on a shooting rampage.
Freedom has strings attached.
We have to choose wisely.
I don’t want the government restricting our freedom because of stupid people.
Same here, both in their early 20s. Both had per-existing mental health issues (mainly depression) and were trying to self-medicate after therapy and prescription drugs were ineffective. When you are that age, you think you are immortal and can handle anything life throws at you, including drugs of unknown quality and potency.
But they DO wind up chemically addicted to heroin based painkillers.
Depending on your genetics it generally takes between 6 months and a year of daily use to get addicted. Now the mental addiction to the happy pill is another matter. But to actually rewrite your bio chemistry so that it needs this other substance takes a while. Of course for folks in chronic pain 6 months goes by pretty quick.
You’re onto half of it. Yes people shouldn’t be punished en mas for the actions of a few. But part of that problem is that the few is so often the doctors. Most of the hoops you have to go through to get your pain meds are to fix the Florida problem, Florida had some very lax regulations and became the “pain clinic” capital of America handing out oxy scripts left and right (remember when Rush moved to FLA, ding ding ding). So to fix that the feds added a lot of regulations about doctor shopping and all kinds of other stuff. And remember, this is an inevitable part of the cycle, assuming the person in chronic pain doesn’t manage to die first eventually they WILL develop a tolerance to the point where they can no longer legally get scrip for that big a dose. That’s not abusing the meds, that’s HOW the meds work. The doctors know that day is inevitable for every chronic pain oxy scrip the write, and they do it anyway.
We do have to chose wisely. Unfortunately our doctors are NOT. As is anybody that objects to medical marijuana. They’re making very bad decisions, but since they don’t have to pay the consequences they don’t worry about it. They just take all that free stuff from the drug reps and keep on writing scrips that they know will do more harm than good.
There has to be a better way to manage pain.
I remember when I was young and unable to get pain pills.
I started drinking heavily so I could go to sleep at night.
I don’t do this anymore because I’m not having pain of that magnitude and if I do, I can take half a pill and a muscle relaxer and get some relief which is probably better than a gallon or two of Jack every week.
Personally, I’m afraid of marijuana but if it works I have nothing against it or the people who use it.
Not proud of it, but I feel the same way.
There is. But of course marijuana is still schedule 1, difficult to even get permission to do actual scientific experimentation with. All the heroin variants are schedule 2. We decided as a society marijuana is scarier than heroin, which is really weird if you think about it. But that’s where we are. Slowly but surely the tide is changing as more and more states legalize for medical and even recreational, but there’s still that culture change. But a lot of doctors are still old school, they won’t write those medical marijuana scrips, and even the ones that aren’t old school know there’s potential legal trouble in that direction.
We’re really into one size fits all thinking in this country. Which is usually a problem. Sure some junkies really are just dope fiends who went down the path. But a constantly growing number were pushed down that path by their doctors. Don’t know what we can do about the first group, but we can demand better thinking and actions from our doctors.
My thought exactly. Please someone comfort that baby! The mother should be made to watch this 24/7.
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