Posted on 09/17/2016 3:59:07 AM PDT by Kaslin
They need to enforce the laws that are on the books, especially the ones Obama has ignored. Many overstay their visas with no consequences. They are illegals. The 19 hijackers on 9-11, most if not all had overstayed their visas. The was 2001 which means the Bush administration as lax in enforcing our laws. A visa has a time limit on it for a reason.
Helen Raleigh,
I cannot disagree with you more. You do not make legitimate what is willfully illegal.
1. How about you announce a grace period of say 120 days. Any illegal in the country after, by law, will never get legal status and never get citizenship (and take away all their possessions, including bank accounts.
2. Empower local and state authorities to arrest and deport illegals. And let these authorizes collect fines for their benefit.
3. Offer rewards for turning in companies/individuals who employ illegals.
Exactly, but the ones that overstay their visas are those who either come with a student visa or with visitors visa. Those that come with an immigration visa do not and they receive a green card that identifies them as legal residents
You are right thanks, I did not mean immigration visas. I wish I could quote the number on those who overstay, I know it is significant
Owners of companies that employ illegals should be prosecuted.
Another amnesty proposal.
SO how would you deal with self-employed illegals who are not using any government services?
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SO how would you deal with self-employed illegals who are not using any government services?
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I’d say that’s another unicorn (not using any taxpayer provided ‘services’) but, to answer your question: The same as I’d hope every OTHER Citizen would do. AKA: their due diligence (IE: Ask for their license and insurance, verify their references and the like).
Now, you talking picking lettuce\tomatoes\seasonal work...
What is the problem with stopping ALL benefits to these illegal invaders...including allowing their children to use the schools? Do you love America or are you a hopeless naive romantic? Give them 6 months to self-deport. After that, seize their assets and arrest them for immediat6e deportation.
What if they don’t want to ask for those proofs that the illegals are here legally?
What if they just want cheap sub-contractors?
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What is the problem with stopping ALL benefits to these illegal invaders...including allowing their children to use the schools? Do you love America or are you a hopeless naive romantic? Give them 6 months to self-deport. After that, seize their assets and arrest them for immediat6e deportation.
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?? I think you got the wrong FRiend, I’ve been a BIG proponent to upholding the 5th\13th and ending any\all welfare/crony Capitalism.
Hell, I think schools, and many other ‘govt services’ should return to service orientated: Those who use PAY.
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What if they don’t want to ask for those proofs that the illegals are here legally?
What if they just want cheap sub-contractors?
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Well, it’s a free country (or, was): Take your chance(s).
Used to be, maybe even more-so today w/ Yelp and the like, word of mouth would be enough to shut down people thought others might wish to avoid. “Hey, guy\co X employs illegals!”.
Let the market decide.
Course, someone burns their house down so Paulo can work for $5\hr cheaper, I’m sure the insurance company would have some say as well...
Step #2: call them sneaks, because that’s what they are. They sneaked across the border or effectively sneaked in by getting visas that they allow to lapse without leaving.
11 million in California alone.
Should we treat bank robbers the same way, shop lifters?
Just ignore them, as we have no obligation to society or the rule of law?
Or am I missing something in what you’re saying?
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Should we treat bank robbers the same way, shop lifters?
Just ignore them, as we have no obligation to society or the rule of law?
Or am I missing something in what you’re saying?
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Oh, I said *nothing* about ignoring the obvious.
Unfort., govt isn’t doing its job on multiple fronts (be that State > Fed); calling the cops\ICE+ just begets a revolving door effect (”Oh, you *promise* to come back to trail? Well, we’ll let you out until then.”). And, no We shouldn’t stop doing our due diligence.
That doesn’t mean govt gets (nor has the authority) to saddle BIZ with the attempt to clean up the mess for ‘em (while they wash their hands of the matter). And, if biz doesn’t do a ‘good enough job’, get fined out the wazoo.
You get govt out of the things it shallNOT be doing (welfare, sanctuary cities, etc.) and back to that which it SHALL (protecting Citizen Rights\border) and the illegal problem mostly disappears.
I’m all for a wall, if need be. But, it should be the FINAL task in a long laundry list, instead of burdening (or crushing) everyone else.
It seems to me that you are dancing around a very important part of our illegal aliens issue, those who are already here.
What is governments role in this issue?
How do we identify them, and once identified, how do we make sure they have every incentive to quickly leave on their own accord?
Based on life’s experiences, I know that there are way too many Americans who simply look the other way, or even enable these illegals to stay.
I believe government has a role to force these recalcitrants to do their moral obligation to, at a minimum, ‘shun’ these people.
Meant to add this; Building a wall doesn’t ‘crush’ anyone, rather it provides thousands of jobs and all the opportunities that go along with have a good income.
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It seems to me that you are dancing around a very important part of our illegal aliens issue, those who are already here.
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Now, or when the fairy tale of 1) govt doing its JOB a\o 2) return of Constitutional limits?
I cannot see how expanding govt, to further infringe the Rights and Freedoms of We the People will help in either case...
>What is governments role in this issue?
One they refuse to do properly, efficiently or effectively.
>How do we identify them, and once identified, how do we make sure they have every incentive to quickly leave on their own accord?
Good question. Aside from the visa over-stays and the like, how DOES one identify a ‘gate jumper’ (aside from an all seeing, all knowing Big Brother)? IMO, it sure isn’t to make EVERYONE else subservient to Fedzilla.
BUT, if we still were a service oriented economy, we’d have a damn easier time finding ‘em.
>Building a wall doesn’t ‘crush’ anyone, rather it provides thousands of jobs and all the opportunities that go along with have a good income.
Like any large endeavor, it’s a boon...until the project is ‘complete’. True, it’s not going to crush anyone, but (my $.02), a bill not needing to be paid.....yet(?).
Do appreciate the civil back-n-forth @ least. Bigger/better minds than mine, I’d think, have more ready solutions for the task at hand.
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