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(vanity) Will Hillary Accept a Pardon from Obama Before He Leaves Office?
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Posted on 09/06/2016 7:22:06 AM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: mountn man
Nixon was never indicted. Likewise, Ford pardoned ALL Viet Nam draft dodgers.

Good point! I hadn't thought of that.

41 posted on 09/06/2016 8:53:56 AM PDT by rapture-me
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To: rapture-me
May be wrong though.

Yep you are Nixon was never indicted. Probably illegal but who pays any attention to that old constitution anyway.

42 posted on 09/06/2016 8:57:48 AM PDT by itsahoot (GOP says, Vote Trump. But if your principles won't let you, Hillary is OK.)
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To: mountn man
Carter pardons draft dodgers - Jan 21, 1977 - HISTORY.com
On this day in History, Carter pardons draft dodgers on Jan 21, 1977 . ... On this day in 1977, President Jimmy Carter pardons all Vietnam War draft dodgers. ... Carter proposed to implement a blanket pardon, in contrast to Ford's more selective ...

43 posted on 09/06/2016 9:02:36 AM PDT by itsahoot (GOP says, Vote Trump. But if your principles won't let you, Hillary is OK.)
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To: TigerClaws

Can a presidential pardon be revoked?


44 posted on 09/06/2016 9:07:47 AM PDT by stboz
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To: TigerClaws

You can bet that not only will Hillary get a pardon, but Bill and Chelsea will, too.


45 posted on 09/06/2016 9:10:30 AM PDT by euram
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To: DIRTYSECRET

You apparently don’t understand how the process works. Did you even pay attention to how long it took for the House to even get to a vote on Articles of Impeachment for Bill Clinton? And then how long it took to get to Senate trial?

You actually think that before Jan 20, Obama would be removed from office? He can issue a pardon at any time. He could do it the day after the election. If you are pinning your hopes on this fantasy, you are seriously delusional.

Again, it takes a majority vote in the House to approve Articles of Impeachment and then a 2/3 vote in the Senate to convict and remove from office.


46 posted on 09/06/2016 9:16:39 AM PDT by doug from upland (She is evil, corrupt, and brain damaged.)
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To: mountn man
I think Obama HAS to pardon Clinton
Not to mention his entire cabinet.

If not, the implications of investigations would be devastating to HIM and everyone associated.

EITHER Hillary wins and covers everybody OR Zero pardons everybody, to prevent any investigations.

If Trump wins, then it might open up the possibility of investigating whether or not Obama really is Constitutionally qualified to be president, if he isn't then that would invalidate the pardons.

47 posted on 09/06/2016 1:49:16 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: TigerClaws
C'mon. You can understand that starting out with a pardon is starting out under a massive cloud.

The administration will fix things so that no charges will be pressed.

48 posted on 09/06/2016 1:59:17 PM PDT by x
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To: Edward.Fish
I think if Trump tries to go after anything or anyone on grounds that Obama was ineligible, it will open up a can of worms that will take him 2 terms to try to undo.

THAT IS...if he even has a congress or senate willing to back him.

Without them, anything he tries is moot.

Remember, to go after Zero on ineligibility, he has to go after everybody else involved.

In order to get things done, he HAS TO have people on his side.

It just might be better to let sleeping dogs lie.

49 posted on 09/06/2016 3:50:16 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: TigerClaws
Be a good question for Trump to ask in the debates: Will Hillary accept a pardon from Obama before he leaves office?

Hillary DOES NOT have the ability to reject a pardon. If Obama pardons her, she is pardoned, no matter if she objects

50 posted on 09/06/2016 3:52:55 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

She has the ability to tell obama right now NOT to pardon her.

Silly comment.


51 posted on 09/06/2016 4:18:49 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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She has the ability to tell obama right now NOT to pardon her.

Silly comment.

SERIOUSLY???
This is your previous post and my response

TC: Be a good question for Trump to ask in the debates: Will Hillary accept a pardon from Obama before he leaves office?

MM: Hillary DOES NOT have the ability to reject a pardon. If Obama pardons her, she is pardoned, no matter if she objects

Now you've gone and changed the entire premise of the original question, in order to make a stupid comment.

You asked if Hillary will accept a pardon.

You SAID NOTHING about Hillary telling Obama not to give her one.

Two completely different actions.

Accepting would mean that Obama was the instigator of the action. He gave a pardon.
She accepts.

On the other hand preemptively refusing the pardon would mean that she is instigating the action.

ac·cept

/əkˈsept/

verb

verb: accept; 3rd person present: accepts; past tense: accepted; past participle: accepted; gerund or present participle: accepting

1. consent to receive (a thing offered).

In the end, Obama could and probably should pardon her, whether she "wants" it or not, just to cover his own a$$.

52 posted on 09/06/2016 4:44:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man
I think if Trump tries to go after anything or anyone on grounds that Obama was ineligible, it will open up a can of worms that will take him 2 terms to try to undo.

Possibly -- possibly not: there would be huge fallout from such a discovery, true... but OTOH, it would provide enough probable cause to shut down a huge portion of the government, especially the judges that kicked everyone's case out on "standing", the politicians that certified the Electoral College's vote, and the Supreme Court members that swore him in. (Conspiracy to Defraud the United States, certainly; and an argument could be made that such undermining of the Constitution weakens the credibility of the Unites States enough as to be considered giving aid and comfort to their enemies [and/or evaluating all his foreign exploits, like him and Hillary creating ISIS].)

THAT IS...if he even has a congress or senate willing to back him.
Without them, anything he tries is moot.

If every single Senator up for re-election were to lose, there's cause to nail essentially 2/3 of the new Senate — this is because the current senate (excepting two persons) is absolutely guilty of Treason. (Proof, this particular case would be enough to get Obama as well, since he signed the treason into 'law'.)

Remember, to go after Zero on ineligibility, he has to go after everybody else involved.

I'm quite fine with that — In fact, it should be intuitively obvious that it has to be done for any serious anti-corruption campaign.
OTOH, Mr. Trump isn't really running on an anti-corruption platform, per se.

It just might be better to let sleeping dogs lie.

Isn't that how we've gotten to this point w/ political corruption?

53 posted on 09/07/2016 10:04:06 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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