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When A War Went Worldwide 75 Years Ago
Townhall.com ^ | July 28, 2016 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/28/2016 5:51:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

Seventy-five years ago, the world blew up in just six months.

World War II ostensibly started two years earlier, when Germany invaded Poland. In truth, after the rapid German defeat of Poland in September 1939, the conflict was mostly confined to Western Europe for nearly the next two years. By summer of 1940, only Britain had survived Hitler's European victories.

The dormant European war only went global on June 22, 1941, when Germany suddenly surprise-attacked the Soviet Union, its former partner.

America and Asia were still not directly involved in the 1941 expansion of the war until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and British Malaya on December 7-8.

Yet the war was even then not truly global until Germany and Italy inexplicably declared war on the United States on December 11.

America was suddenly mired in a two-front war on land, sea and in the air against the Axis powers -- from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert, and from the coast of Florida to China.

These three calamitous events of 1941 marked the real beginning of World War II, in which some 65 million perished, more than 60 percent of them civilians.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Germany; Japan; Russia
KEYWORDS: anniversary; china; isis; vdh; victordavishanson; ww2; wwii
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1 posted on 07/28/2016 5:51:02 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 07/28/2016 5:52:41 AM PDT by Kaslin (He neededAwesome the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin

And yet, it seems we didn’t learn a damned thing.

The predominance of Jewish people in the US are Democrats, a party that embraces those who will destroy Israel; a sitting US President that models his arrogance after the fascist Benito Mussolini coupled with the lies and treacheries of Stalin; and a prospective ‘heir’ to the Obama throne who would be the female version of Adolf Hitler.

Only Tojo is missing....


3 posted on 07/28/2016 5:55:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

Odd account in the excerpt.

As if Russia had not been involved in the war prior to the German invasion.

Almost as if the author is trying to hide the fact that as Hitler was invading Poland from the west in 1939, his ally Stalin was invading it from the east


4 posted on 07/28/2016 6:04:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Also Russia invaded Finland and the Baltic States and took Bessarabia from Romania. Britain considered aiding the Finns against Russia.


5 posted on 07/28/2016 6:06:52 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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To: Kaslin

How about the Soviet invasion of Finland?

The Japanese invasion of Korea and northern China?


6 posted on 07/28/2016 6:07:19 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kaslin
These three calamitous events of 1941 marked the real beginning of World War II

Nonsense.

7 posted on 07/28/2016 6:09:02 AM PDT by Huck (This is my opinion. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: Kaslin

So many veterans have died trying to catch Guantanamo bay prisoners...their release infuriates me


8 posted on 07/28/2016 6:10:35 AM PDT by RummyChick ("...Americans think Trump is running 2 help America &Hillary is running 2 help Hillary" ~Ben Shapiro)
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To: Gaffer

There is a difference between being a Jew and being Jewish. A Jew is a member of an ethnicity by birth and is not necessarily observant. A Jewish person is an observant Jew.


9 posted on 07/28/2016 6:18:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Understood, but you got my meaning.


10 posted on 07/28/2016 6:24:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
These three calamitous events of 1941 marked the real beginning of World War II, in which some 65 million perished, more than 60 percent of them civilians

WW II in many ways is the beginning of the end of Western Christian civilization.

The Just War Theory and the attempt to prevent and eliminate civilian casualties was a hallmark of Christian West.

WW II brought, for all intents and purposes, an end to that ideal of Western Civilization. Now even with precision weapons that can send a bomb through a specific window and in to a building before blowing up civilian casualties are considered acceptable.

Christianity and Christian Charity are considered archaic principles and even the word Christian is now offensive. Besides ending the lives of 65 million people WW II ended Christian Era.

11 posted on 07/28/2016 7:08:12 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Kaslin
In truth, after the rapid German defeat of Poland in September 1939, the conflict was mostly confined to Western Europe for nearly the next two years.

The war quickly became global. Canada, Australia and New Zealand declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939, and South Africa three days later. As has been mentioned, the Soviet Union entered the war on the side of Germany before the month was out. When Italy joined the war in 1940, the war spread to Africa as British and Italian troops clashed in Egypt, Somalia and Ethiopia, the British attacked the French at Mers el-Kebir in Algeria, and the Free French fought the Vichy French in Senegal.

The naval war was also global, as German submarines and raiders roamed the seven seas. Before the year was out, the Battle of the Rio de la Plata would take place off the coast of Uruguay, resulting in the loss of a German battleship.

12 posted on 07/28/2016 7:24:19 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: BenLurkin

It certainly does seem like a really shallow outline of events.


13 posted on 07/28/2016 7:40:07 AM PDT by Bigg Red (You're on fire, stupid!)
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To: Pontiac

I have a contrary option.

Just War Theory (first expressed by St Thomas Aquinas), is to define our Christian approach to war (best book on the subject is by Walzer).

Prior to Just War there was total war—attacking the enemy, all of them, military and civilian alike, with the aim of total destruction.

Just War prohibits waging total war.

For Christians, to be a Just War, we aim to mitigate the suffering of the innocent. Islam does not—everyone is a target, no matter if they are military or civilian.

Just War also defines when wars are to be conducted and to what end (defensive, retaliation, not retribution). So, if someone attacks you, you have a duty and Christian obligation to defend yourself.

If the attacker forces you to fight and casualties ensue (like they do), the number of causalities is immaterial if you strive to limit the the number of causalities (military and civilian) to no more than necessary.

Precision weapons comport well with Just War. Limiting innocent causalities is the aim of Just War and precision weapons do that well. For example WWII it took over 8,000 free-fall bombs to achieved a 90% Pk on a 90’ x 100’ target (Air University study). Today, with PGMs, like the SDB, it takes one, just one weapon to achieve the Pk. This means less bombs off-target and less collateral (”innocent civilians”) damage/deaths.

Sending a bomb to just blow-up innocent civilians because we can is not allowed by Just War, LOAC and by ROE.

Can “innocent civilians” be hit? Yes, but ONLY under certain conditions.

If they are contributing directly to the war effort, like working in a munitions factory, they can be causalities of striking the factory.

However, we are prohibited by Just War and LOAC from hitting a farmer in the field, as he may be growing food for an army but that is not contributing directly to the war and the food he grows has a dual use, like feeding other civilians.

Innocents may also lose their protected status if the enemy army uses them as a shield, like say, setting up in a hospital and raining death on friendly troops. We are not, under Just War and LOAC, prohibited from striking back. Responsibility for the innocent lives lost resides with the enemy using them, not us.

So, bottom line, it is not acceptable to strike a bunch of innocent civilians just because they are there, however, there are certain conditions, limited conditions, where striking them is in accordance with Just War and LOAC.


14 posted on 07/28/2016 7:45:24 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Kaslin

It’s a good thing it happened 75 years ago. With all the pc liberal crap that has taken over in this country we would never win it today.


15 posted on 07/28/2016 8:13:40 AM PDT by Cubs Fan (Liberals and Islamists are the Nazis and Stalinists of the 21st century. This time they are united.)
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To: Kaslin

>>In truth, after the rapid German defeat of Poland in September 1939, the conflict was mostly confined to Western Europe for nearly the next two years.

The Chinese would be surprised to hear this, as they had been at war with Japan since 1937.

His point is probably still valid, but this was a large ongoing conflict that expanded greatly starting on December 7, 1941.


16 posted on 07/28/2016 8:15:23 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BenLurkin

VDH does say “After conquering all of Western Europe, Hitler’s Germany felt itself invincible. It saw the Soviet Union as weak and ripe for a double-cross.”

So he implies the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, of which I am absolutely certain he is aware. I am equally sure he is aware of the USSR’s part in the dismemberment of Poland.


17 posted on 07/28/2016 8:24:20 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Pontiac

Long time lurker, very rare poster, but your comment and the response really got my goat so to speak.

You could not be more wrong. The idea of “Just War” is neither a hallmark of Christianity or actually designed to prevent civilian casualties. Rather “Just War” is the logical outcome of the Whig/Marxist dialectic and by innate design, encourages totalizing wars of annihilation. The logic may seem counterfactual, but as with usual leftists plots, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

Total war isn’t actually a modern concept, it is actually an ancient and primitive one. The complete destruction of an opposing group was the de-facto way of war since man was using wood clubs and flint spears. Even with the arrival of Christianity, this didn’t change much since the default method of warfare in Europe up into the late middle ages from the collapse of the Roman Empire was the Chevauchee, i.e. the civilian massacre.

The big break actually came following the bloodletting of the Thirty Years War and the new European balance of power that lasted up until the beginning of the 20th century. The general trend of European warfare from the late 17th century onwards were characterized by frequency but remarkably few casualties both military and civilian given the number of combatants involved. What generally happened was when once side was losing, they would surrender en mass or retreat and the other side would accept it and not murder all the captives as generally tended to happen before.

The reason why wars became less bloody at this time was not because of “Just War” but rather because war became legitimized for all parties involved. That is to say following Westphalia, notions of justice were simply irrelevant and wars became more like sporting contests. Sure you lost round one, but there is always next season and when all parties accepted the legitimacy of state aggression, the costs of losing wars became less onerous for the participants and thus the incentive to completely annihilate the others in an all or nothing gambit disappears.

“Just War” on the other hand returns us back to the earlier era where the legitimacy of all parties involved is not de facto acknowledged. Instead of recognizing winners and losers of political contests, it sees only the “Righteous” and the “Criminal”. Upholders of the so-called International Order and breakers of the Peace. Paradoxically, “Just War” theory rather than preventing conflicts which arises from differences in interests, serves to maximize grudges and encourage escalation. When all parties see one another as illegitimate enemies instead of competing principals, the stakes become all the higher and chancy wars of annihilation and the resultant civilian massacres become certain.


18 posted on 07/28/2016 9:11:24 AM PDT by Duke of Qin
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To: Kaslin
America was suddenly mired in a two-front war on land, sea and in the air against the Axis powers -- from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert, and from the coast of Florida to China.

All the way to the coast of Texas. German U-boats were patroling the whole Gulf of Mexico. My father said there were ships sunk off the coast of Galeston.

19 posted on 07/28/2016 9:22:37 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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To: Duke of Qin

You should post more.

Even if I don’t agree with all you said, yours is a fascinating viewpoint.


20 posted on 07/28/2016 10:02:02 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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