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NRA officials split with Trump on wisdom of armed club-goers
CNN ^ | June 19, 2016 | Tom LoBianco, CNN

Posted on 06/19/2016 8:52:48 PM PDT by Innovative

Top National Rifle Association officials split Sunday with Donald Trump's position that armed club-goers are a good idea.

"I don't think you should have firearms where people are drinking," said Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive officer said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "But I will tell you this. Everybody, every American starts to have -- needs to start having a security plan. We need to be able to protect ourselves, because they're coming. And they're going for vulnerable spots, and this country needs to realize it."

NRA lobbyist Chris Cox told ABC's "This Week": "No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms. That defies commonsense. It also defies the law. It's not what we're talking about here."

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To: Innovative

I’ll take a drunk shooting at a Jihadist over a sober Jihadist shooting at me any day of the week.


61 posted on 06/19/2016 11:34:52 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: SteveH
...the owner was running a bar with many potentially dangerous customers until the early hours of the morning in the first shall issue CC state, and yet the bar’s guards were not armed? does not the bar owner have at least a moral obligation to the safety of its patrons from armed intruders? i imagine this is discussed extensively somewhere else, and if so, i would welcome a pointer. (sorry not to be up to speed.)...

I think that whoever established a gun-free zone should be responsible for the security of everyone in it, both physical security, and should bear legal liability for whatever bad thing happens there. But, lets be certain we paint the target on the correct culprit here.

Why would the bar have responsibility? It is the state who established the gun-free zone. If the state had to pay for security in the vulnerable area they established, and were liable for damages caused by their gun-free zones, there would be a lot fewer of them.

If places with very restrictive carry laws had to pay the victims of muggers there would be a quick change in policies.

62 posted on 06/19/2016 11:56:10 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

Aha. OK, as I understand you to mean, Florida outlaws all guns in a bar, even if carried by properly licensed guards.

OK. Excuse me for asking, but does this not eventually invite disaster upon the bar patrons? It seems very similar to a zoo that mixes carnivores with herbivores in the same pen, sharing space and water holes. I must be missing something. If this is accurate(?), I wonder how mere pieces of paper could ever be misconstrued by lawmakers and voters to protect bar patrons from predators of the human variety. (Sorry not to be up to speed on all this, just wondering.)


63 posted on 06/20/2016 12:05:27 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

I seem to recall Florida as having a reputation for being relatively enlightened and forward-thinking in at least some manner after a string of robberies of tourists who by necessity flew in without weapons and then were compelled to advertise their lack of weapon by displaying rental car stickers on their rental cars. This seems like the opposite direction. Offhand, without metal detectors, secure perimeters, armed guards or police, and patdowns (eg such as courts typically have), bar patrons are not safe in Florida. I imagine that I must be missing something...


64 posted on 06/20/2016 12:15:20 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: dp0622
When you look into that, yes, except every bar, whorehouse, and casino, had several armed employees very visible to the crowd, usually on a floor above the crowd with rifles as well as a handgun.

I remember reading that in some old magazine while still in High School and getting interested enough to dig into it at the library. Technically, they were deputies but they only had authority within the place of business that hired them. IIRC, the Earps had to approve of who the business hired.

65 posted on 06/20/2016 12:19:27 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Innovative

In my state, I can go into a bar with my gun, and I’ve often done so. I don’t drink, though. I just hang out and am the designated driver.

A better law would be that the ccw not be allowed to be drunk while carrying.


66 posted on 06/20/2016 12:43:08 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Innovative

Dumb,dumb, dumb. They must be Republicans. “Gun free zones” are an invitation to lunatic murderers.


67 posted on 06/20/2016 3:07:55 AM PDT by ZULU (Donald Trump is the biggest threat to the New World Order since Barry Goldwater)
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To: All

http://www.gunowners.org/

Better than the NRA.


68 posted on 06/20/2016 3:10:21 AM PDT by Right-wing Librarian (Hillary is 100% Death for America. Donald is 100% Life for America. I am PRO-LIFE!)
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To: All

Apparently Mr. Trump did not mean patrons of the club should have had guns...just security & employees: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/744838252369043456


69 posted on 06/20/2016 3:33:05 AM PDT by Drago
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To: proust

I think the key is drinking and carrying.


70 posted on 06/20/2016 3:34:02 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Innovative

Doesn’t have to extend to the drinkers - bouncers, designated drivers, etc., would be a good deal.


71 posted on 06/20/2016 3:37:48 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Innovative

Why would NRA mistate Trump’s position?

Morons.


72 posted on 06/20/2016 3:59:12 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Innovative
Apparently the Swiss don't have a problem with drinking and firearms:

The Swiss take their shooting very seriously. They have a long history of marksmanship, and rifle ranges dot the country side..........Perhaps the most noticeable difference between Swiss and American rifle ranges is the presence of alcohol. Beer and Wine are readily available at Swiss Ranges. It's not uncommon to start a bottle of wine before the days shooting, and to finish the bottle after the day's shooting has ended. Yet, Swiss Ranges remain largely accident free. The Feuerschützen in Basel has not had an accident in over 500 years.

Shooting in Switzerland

73 posted on 06/20/2016 4:00:00 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem)
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To: Reno89519
"Not illegal in many states"

Is the NRA signalling they will back gun possession if not drinking, in these places?

74 posted on 06/20/2016 4:01:09 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Romans Nine
I’ve posted it before but it bears repeating. The NRA is to gun owners what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are to “black” people.

Yep, still a stupid post.

75 posted on 06/20/2016 4:02:32 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Innovative

If you tip a glass, you need to park your guns. That said, every club employee should be sober, armed and trained to use them.

I am hoping we get ballistics reports and find out how many were killed by cops. Still doesn’t add up to me that one armed shooter killed and wounded over 100 people over the course of 3 hours.


76 posted on 06/20/2016 4:06:32 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: Innovative

In the case of Orlando
Do you want intoxicated people carrying?
Do you want people who are confused about their genders carrying?
Do you want people who choose a dangerous lifestyle carrying?

Armed licensed security?


77 posted on 06/20/2016 4:14:18 AM PDT by FreedomGuru (Leave my gluten alone hands off)
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To: Romans Nine

BS


78 posted on 06/20/2016 4:26:26 AM PDT by bruoz
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To: Innovative

Employees: bouncers, bartenders , DJ s all could be armed. They shouldn’t be drinking on the job and would at least have a chance of survival too


79 posted on 06/20/2016 4:30:05 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Trump is exposing the Fifth Column in the US)
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To: Innovative

If they want you unarmed, don’t go in.


80 posted on 06/20/2016 4:31:52 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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