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The Perot-Myth and the Bush Family
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Posted on 06/19/2016 9:39:18 AM PDT by ErikJohnsky

Since 1992, Republicans have been smarting their loss by claiming that Ross Perot stole enough votes to elect Bill Clinton.

Even as much as the loyal opposition seeks to demystify the winner's victory, the Perot-elected-Clinton lie has only served to force the GOP to adopt pro-immigrant pro-big-gov narratives.

Perot was more liberal than Slick Willie himself. http://www.ontheissues.org/Ross_Perot.htm He was pro-abortion, pro-homo, and for tax hikes on fossil fuel, the driver of American jobs. Bush I's job approvals in 1992 were as low than Jimmy Carter's in 1980

http://spectator.org/63682_bushioisie-wrong-ross-perot-didnt-cost-ghw-bush-white-house-1992/ http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/presidential-approval-ratings-gallup-historical-statistics-trends.aspx

Of course Bush was 1000x better than Surrender Monkey Dhimmi, but the fact is that perception is reality. If Bush had been case as losing "truly fair and square" in 1992, who the heck woulda nominated the cucks Jeb and George in 1994, for anything? Or 2000, none the less?

The Bush family has depressed conservative turnout for 24 years and I am sick of it. Bush lost in 1992 because real conservatives stayed home in 1992, and have not been voting since. Dubya, Mr. Amnesty, Neocon, etc. barely won in '04. The final result was in the margin of error, were it a poll; his winning was pure luck. He did not emulate Reagan, whose principles and values beat Mondale in 98% of the states in America.


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To: ErikJohnsky

Those who fail to understand that a presidential election campaign is a dynamic process tend to compose semi-literate vanity posts. Unreadable.


21 posted on 06/19/2016 10:11:20 AM PDT by FirstFlaBn
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To: ErikJohnsky
I supported Perot early on because Bush was wobbly. Perot came across as "Pro-American," whereas poppy Bush was NWO.

But then Perot got really weird - he dropped out of the race, declaring that he had saved the Democrat Party from destruction...only to reenter a few weeks later. What a nut case!

I voted for Bush in 1992. 20% of America voted for Perot. My belief is that these 20% believed that Perot was more conservative that Bush, and pro-American.

If Perot had never run for President, most of that 20% would have voted for Bush as the lesser of two evils. Despite Bush being a GOPe, we would not be in the mess we are today if he had won.

22 posted on 06/19/2016 10:13:02 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob
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To: FirstFlaBn

If Saddam had a brain he would have made nice with us-at least lip service like Kadafy. Same with the idiot in Syria. Staying in power is cheaper than spreading the disease.


23 posted on 06/19/2016 10:16:01 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

He would have had we not broken our pledge to him not to do anything if he invaded Kuwait.


24 posted on 06/19/2016 10:16:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ErikJohnsky

Perot did not steal the election. Look at the polling in 1992: Bush led when Perot was in the race. He hardly moved when Perot dropped out but Clinton rose a lot.

Perot disproportionately took votes from Clinton.


25 posted on 06/19/2016 10:22:26 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Cowboy Bob

If Ronald Reagan had not thrown a VP life vest to Bush in ‘80, the Bush buffoons would have deservedly disappeared from public life and we would all have been better off.
Bush 1, who tarnished Reagan’s legacy, was little more than an usher for Clinton while his son’s gross incompetence, ushered in Obama.
If you need a scapegoat, the Bushes own it!!!


26 posted on 06/19/2016 10:27:40 AM PDT by Arrian (How predictab)
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To: ErikJohnsky

Read This:https://www.amazon.com/Jeb-Bush-Crime-Family-American/dp/1510706798/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466357410&sr=8-2&keywords=roger+stone


27 posted on 06/19/2016 10:28:04 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (I am "Chump" for Trump,)
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To: ErikJohnsky

The Bush family rise was also the rise of the uniparty.

No Bush(s) no uniparty.

The uniparty has to be defeated in 2016.


28 posted on 06/19/2016 10:32:00 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: ErikJohnsky

Perot helped elect Clinton. No doubt about it.


29 posted on 06/19/2016 10:32:11 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ErikJohnsky

‘Ole Ross did manage to get his own private International airport out of the deal. Something daddy Bush had shot down.


30 posted on 06/19/2016 10:33:38 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: OttawaFreeper
"Didn’t EDS profit big time from contracts with welfare departments across the United States?"

EDS was the early pioneer in using electronic processing for Medicare, Medicaid and other government programs going back to the mid 1960's. One of the few companies I dealt with at the time that delivered on their promises. I believe Perot sold EDS in the mid 80's so I guess he did not have a financial windfall from Slick Willie.

31 posted on 06/19/2016 10:37:52 AM PDT by buckalfa (I am feeling much better now.)
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To: buckalfa; OttawaFreeper

I believe it was Perot’s fellow Texan Lyndon Johnson that got fed ‘small business’ grants for Perot to develop government benefits processing, and then he got government contracts because he had the processing system. Pretty sweet deal.


32 posted on 06/19/2016 10:45:43 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cowboy Bob

“20% of America voted for Perot. My belief is that these 20% believed that Perot was more conservative that Bush,”

your belief does not stand up to the empirical data. Even if more Perot voters had voted Bush than Clinton, a ratio of 2:1 woulda been needed, A MINIMUM, assuming all Perot voters would’ve voted.

When ur job approval is under 40%, like Carter, far lower than 0Bama and Carter in 2012 and 1980, respectively, YOU LOSE.


33 posted on 06/19/2016 10:59:20 AM PDT by ErikJohnsky
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To: ErikJohnsky
I've never seen any convincing evidence that Perot's entry in the race gave it to Clinton. Here are the comparison's of how the polls stood in early June of 1992, around Perot's high water mark, and how the final vote went.

June 4-8----- Perot 39%, Clinton 27%, Bush 31%

11/92--------- Perot 19%, Clinton 43%, Bush 37%

Poll June 4-8, 1992

34 posted on 06/19/2016 11:02:12 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Typo in #34. Clinton was at 25% in the June 4-8 poll.

June 4-8-—— Perot 39%, Clinton 25%, Bush 31%

11/92-——— Perot 19%, Clinton 43%, Bush 37%


35 posted on 06/19/2016 11:13:17 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ErikJohnsky
Perot hated daddy Bush, the vendetta/scheme worked.

His VP pick, and that made-up threat to his daughter(when it looked like he had an actual chance to win in a 3-way race), showed he was not a serious candidate, he just wanted to muck up the works.

Politics(on both sides of the aisle)have become nothing but a cesspool ever since, enriching themselves while morally and financially putting America into the toilet. They are ALL playing us for suckers.

36 posted on 06/19/2016 11:14:00 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Political Correctness is a kool-aid drinking suicide cult)
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To: ErikJohnsky
The thread seems to be dead, but a look at this Wiki table of polls from 1992 would indicate that GHWB was never really competitive in that election. Note the poll results from July until late September when Perot had dropped out and was not included in the polls.

Bush was 8% to 15% behind Clinton the entire time.

Historical polling for U.S. Presidential elections

37 posted on 06/19/2016 11:23:22 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ErikJohnsky
He was pro-abortion, pro-homo

Clearly pro-abortion, but personally not particularly pro-homosexual. He put his money where his mouth was when his church was fighting over women's ordination and abortion (leading to a split) but he was on board with leaving the denomination a couple of decades later when the issue was homosexual marriage and ordination. I don't have access to the numbers, but the rumor was that he ponied up his share of the $7.8 million exit fee.

38 posted on 06/19/2016 11:31:55 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Cowboy Bob
he dropped out of the race, declaring that he had saved the Democrat Party from destruction...only to reenter a few weeks later.

Blackmail, then he found out the pictures were fake was the story I heard at the time.

39 posted on 06/19/2016 11:33:23 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: US Navy Vet

Yes! Let’s hope that Yeb’s crash-and-burn means the Bush scam is over.

https://www.amazon.com/Jeb-Bush-Crime-Family-American/dp/1510706798/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1466357410&sr=8-2&keywords=roger+stone


40 posted on 06/19/2016 11:36:14 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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