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Donald Trump wrong that 'there's no real assimilation' by U.S. Muslims
PolitiFact ^ | June 18, 2016 | Louis Jacobson

Posted on 06/18/2016 12:25:03 PM PDT by EveningStar

After the mass shooting in Orlando by a man who pledged allegiance to the Islamic terrorist group ISIS, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reiterated his call for a temporary ban on Muslims coming to the United States ...

Trump [to Sean Hannity], "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost -- I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come -- they don't -- for some reason, there's no real assimilation." ...

We concluded that the implication of what Trump said -- that Muslims want to isolate themselves from the mainstream American culture -- is flat wrong. However, we also learned that the question involves some important nuance. In particular, the task of "assimilation" facing post-1960s immigrants to America is more complicated than, and thus distinct from, what it was for white, Christian, European immigrants who came to the United States in prior generations ...

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assimilation; dhimmitude; immigration; islam; moderateislam; muslimamericans; muslims; orlando; politifact; politifactlies; rop; trump
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To: EveningStar
I notice they didn't ask Christians and Muslims how they felt about blowing up Israeli pizzerias.

ML/NJ

61 posted on 06/18/2016 4:12:41 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: heights

And I’ve seen numbers in other polls saying as many as 90% of American Muslims (certainly recent refugees) support Sharia Law. And Sharia Law is polar opposite to our Constitution so why wasn’t it even mentioned in this left leaning article? How can you judge someone assimilated when they don’t even believe in our political/legal system?


62 posted on 06/18/2016 4:18:00 PM PDT by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Placemark


63 posted on 06/18/2016 4:23:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. FrankliIn)
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To: EveningStar

Left-wing, unreliable site.


64 posted on 06/18/2016 4:28:54 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We can't fix a rigged system by relying on the people who rigged it." --Donald Trump, 6/7/16)
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To: EveningStar
Donald Trump wrong that 'there's no real assimilation' by U.S. Muslims

If you prefer Sharia Law over the U.S. Constitution, you are NOT "assimilated".

65 posted on 06/18/2016 4:31:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Main)stream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: heights
That must be why 50% want Sharia Law.

The other 50% also want Sharia Law but they are lying to make it look like they are assimilating. The first bunch of 50% really should tone it down a bit. Maybe something like 9%.

66 posted on 06/18/2016 5:51:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Don't call them Daesh OR ISIS or ISIL, they are always "ISLAMIC State.")
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To: EveningStar

muslims assimilate on the same level as Aztlan Mexicans who want to take the southwest and give it to Mexico.
People who don’t live in guarded communites know exactly what modern day immigrants are doing and not doing. they are not assimilating like those immigrants from the 1890 -1920s its a fn joke did they poll Dearborn Michigan?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/26/the-no-go-zone-myth-comes-to-america/202263

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n


67 posted on 06/18/2016 5:52:42 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Haven’t the recent Muslim terrorists been second generation? Boston bombers, San Bernadino, Orlando etc. Sure they seem pretty assimilated, as terrorists, not so much as good citizens.

So what exactly is Trump wrong about?


68 posted on 06/18/2016 5:58:57 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: EveningStar
we also learned that the question involves some important nuance

It depends on what the definition of is is.

69 posted on 06/18/2016 6:01:47 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: EveningStar

More likely moslems want us to assimilate to their ideological ways, et al.


70 posted on 06/18/2016 6:03:24 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: bray

Yes, the Dems and their polls seem to also practice taquiyya. I used to answer poll questions when they called, I thought about lying to them, but decide instead to tell them that my opinion is not the business of them or anyone else who will use their poll and to place my phone number on the do not call list.


71 posted on 06/18/2016 6:08:47 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: ClearCase_guy
The researchers concluded that "Muslim Americans appear to be highly assimilated into American society."

Then how come you had to interview people in Arabic, Farsi and Urdu?


72 posted on 06/18/2016 6:09:54 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Donald Trump, warts and all, is not a public enemy. The Golems in the GOP are stasis and apathy)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Then how come you had to interview people in Arabic, Farsi and Urdu? “

Bingo!

Lol


73 posted on 06/18/2016 6:19:57 PM PDT by JPJones ( You can't help the working class by paying the non-working class.)
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To: frnewsjunkie

That is how I see it, they cannot assimilate while Muslim, their beliefs do not allow it. To really assimilate they would have to stop following their beliefs and darn few ever do that.


74 posted on 06/18/2016 6:37:55 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: EveningStar

I agree with the premise of the article. The VAST MAJORITY of Muslims do assimilate.

The other 3% to 5% simply kill Americans, in ever increasing numbers.

I guess if people are HAPPY with a 95% to 97% assimilation rate...then it will be hard to convince them that the others, like the ones shooting up bars in Orlando, are a problem.


75 posted on 06/18/2016 7:48:00 PM PDT by BobL
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Hmmm. Lebanese. Fits my observed pattern - literally.


76 posted on 06/18/2016 7:56:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

why?


77 posted on 06/18/2016 7:58:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Post 25...


78 posted on 06/18/2016 8:05:47 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: EveningStar

I crossed paths with this email some years ago, and nothing I have experienced since I first read it has changed:

Can a good Muslim be a good American?
http://www.military-money-matters.com/can-a-good-muslim-be-a-good-american.html#axzz4BzcdXlV7

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. . . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . . Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. . . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ the Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran’s 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation. . . . Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and ‘good’ Americans.

Call it what you wish . . . it’s still the truth.

You had better believe it.

The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. . . .


79 posted on 06/18/2016 8:40:23 PM PDT by Taxman ((H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.))
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To: EveningStar
Muslims Get Their Way – Illinois Will Permit Wearing Burqas in Driving Licenses Photos

http://usherald.com/muslims-get-their-way-illinois-will-permit-wearing-burqas-in-driving-licenses-photos/


80 posted on 06/18/2016 8:46:03 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam vs the Free World in a death match)
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