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Cruz Knocks Trump As Non-Conservative, Trump Admits It
Breitbart.com ^ | February 12, 2016 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 02/12/2016 4:17:56 AM PST by Biggirl

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To: r_barton

Hey, but somebody in SC had a rally last night with 1000 people show up...if the blind squirrels can’t see the handwriting on the wall, it will be a long year for them, so is my prayer!


61 posted on 02/12/2016 5:01:22 AM PST by jennings2004 ("What difference, at this point, does it make!"!)
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To: meyer

Always blame the captain if the ship founders and goes nowhere
Why give cruz a pass on actually leading in the past and be all charmed about his speeches about how he’ll lead in the future?

I think that’s the crux of it with cruz
He has had 5 years in the senate to “show us the money”
And in fact a lifetime of career achievement .... As a great lawyer
Where’s the beef?


62 posted on 02/12/2016 5:02:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: MNJohnnie
It is a given that there will be give and take along those lines. I just want to start with someone who is as closely philosophically aligned with what I consider conservative.

With pandering to the ethanol lobby and the vow to continue the EPA to enforce that mandate in Iowa, Mr Trump broke any chance of getting my vote.

Considering Gov. Branstad had pulled out the long knives for Cruz because Cruz said he'd eliminate the mandate (The Gov's son is an ethanol industry lobbyist), Trump's announcement very shortly afterward that he'd seek to increase the mandate and use the EPA to the fullest extent of the law to enforce it reeked of pandering for local GOP support. I have belabored the forum with the implications of that trade off for everyone, and for merely Iowa, but that was the deal breaker for me.

It takes a HUGE logical disconnect to vow to continue the one agency which has been the standard bearer (literally) of the destruction of American industry and then say you're going to make America Great again.

That's like raising the speed limit and dynamiting the bridge.

None of the candidates is perfect, and some far less than others, but Cruz does have the sand to stand his ground against hostile media and a hostile Congress. I think he'll play a better game of hardball, and be less likely to measure success by making deals than accomplishing Conservative goals.

YMMV

63 posted on 02/12/2016 5:02:59 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: silverleaf

Not at all; Reagan never ran as the savior to the nation, although he came the closest of anyone in my lifetime. He presented himself as the leader of the movement, conservatism, which would indeed make America great by freeing the American people to use their industry and creativity to make the country great. I have no idea what Trump means when he says he will “make America great again.”


64 posted on 02/12/2016 5:03:20 AM PST by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning.)
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To: jennings2004

There is an article here touting 2,000 at a Cruz rally last night.

There were 11,000 inside, with another 4,000 overflow outside at the Trump Baton Rouge rally.

Less is the new more, just like losing is the new winning. ;-)


65 posted on 02/12/2016 5:04:46 AM PST by r_barton (We the People of the United States...)
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To: MNJohnnie

Pure emotionally hysteric nonsense to compare ?Trump to Mussolini. Shameless ridiculous demagoguery.
___________________________________________________________

Not really Trump relies on no principles, he focuses on his personality and how smart he thinks he is.

He peddles the illusion that only HE can fix all our problems. HE will finds the smarted people to hand down the solutions from on high, to we the undeserving peasants.

Sowell described this conceit in “Visions of the Anointed”

Trump is a narcissist elitist, nothing more. HE business is built upon crony capitalism to cater to elites. He looks down his nose at the people who support/worship him. I am sure he is loving his ego trip.


66 posted on 02/12/2016 5:06:02 AM PST by Leto
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To: Biggirl
Donald Trump has now made clear that the thrust of his campaign will not be conservatism. It will instead be populism and nationalism

Excellent. Just like Reagan.

45-49 state landslide, coming' right up!

67 posted on 02/12/2016 5:06:07 AM PST by Jim Noble (I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone, and I won't question what or when or why when I'm gon)
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To: austinaero
That ‘we’re better Christians than you’ group is becoming the group that puts Party Over Country. I would only slightly disagree I think they put "Candidate over God or Country". Primary Election season always seems to bring the worst out in them. It so odd to recognize the Freeper names from 2008 and 2012 and realize only the names of the Candidates have changed, the tactics are the same old same old.
68 posted on 02/12/2016 5:09:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: doosee

Be honest
Dole and Carter did not endorse
Both opined that trump would be more effective in working with congress
Nothing will change for the better for conservatives unless some power moves the congress
“ power” and “ Ted Cruz” are a bit of an oxymoron based on his past..
the opinions of Carter and Dole matter only because they understand the dynamics of a collaborative movement led by a powerful skilled leader


69 posted on 02/12/2016 5:09:54 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: MNJohnnie

Trump obviously isn’t Mussolini on policy, but his delivery is eerily similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv-Ncs7vQk


70 posted on 02/12/2016 5:12:27 AM PST by sakic
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To: Leto

I know, rational thoughtful momentary is so tough, infantile snarling at every candidate not your own, is just so much easier for those who cannot be bothered to think and learn.


71 posted on 02/12/2016 5:12:43 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: r_barton

No one has ever come close to the monster crowds attracted by President William Jennings Bryan.


72 posted on 02/12/2016 5:13:49 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: euram

“My question is, what have so-called conservatives actually conserved? Most of the so-called conservatives in Washington have only managed to conserve their elevated positions and their incomes. I can’t think of a single thing other than that, that has been conserved.”

That’s why the biggest “accomplishment” Cruz supporters can tout about him is that he called McConnell a “liar”.


73 posted on 02/12/2016 5:16:17 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Biggirl

Let’s face it who are those self proclaimed conservatives; George Will, Rich Lowry, Karl Rove, JEB Bush, Bill Kristol,
Lindsay Mary Graham, John McCain, Mitt Romney et al? If these are the so called conservatives, stop the train I want to get off. I’ll take TRUMP or CRUZ.


74 posted on 02/12/2016 5:16:28 AM PST by kenmcg
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To: bert

None, initially. How many have done anything (or made an effort) to stop it since?


75 posted on 02/12/2016 5:16:36 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Yorlik803

“Dealing is giving in.”

Ummmmm no.
Dealing is getting what you want and having the leverage to get the other side to capitulate to your demands. And then framing or in a way to allow the other side to save face so they will be willing to capitulate to your demands again in the future without damaging their own image.

Look at Univision. No doubt they paid through the nose but now they are behaving very nicely after being spanked. Lol


76 posted on 02/12/2016 5:16:52 AM PST by Suz in AZ
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To: Smokin' Joe

as I recall, the House did either 41 or 57 times, I lost count


77 posted on 02/12/2016 5:18:05 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: Biggirl

Wow.

........and “conservatism” has worked SO VERY WELL for us these past ten years or so.


78 posted on 02/12/2016 5:18:11 AM PST by Flintlock (-Our ballot box STOLEN, our soap box GONE, we're left with our bullet box, now.---)
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To: sakic
Reagan had words for these sorts of self appointed Conservative Purity Police.

By Ronald Reagan in his autobiography An American Life

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything. I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: "I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average." If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

79 posted on 02/12/2016 5:19:39 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: Biggirl

Shapiro is too smart to actually believe that contortion of Trump’s words, so I take it as foul disingenuousness on Ben’s part.

Trump was clearly saying that the conservative base helped give the GOPe its majorities—and the GOPe has betrayed them.


80 posted on 02/12/2016 5:20:55 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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