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If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly
foreignpolicy.com ^ | February 3, 2016 | Dan De Luce

Posted on 02/03/2016 12:11:55 PM PST by Trumpinator

If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly

War games show NATO’s eastern flank is vulnerable. To deter Moscow, the United States will need to deploy heavy armor on a large scale, a new study says.

By Dan De Luce

February 3, 2016

If Russian tanks and troops rolled into the Baltics tomorrow, outgunned and outnumbered NATO forces would be overrun in under three days. That’s the sobering conclusion of war games carried out by a think tank with American military officers and civilian officials.

“The games’ findings are unambiguous: As currently postured, NATO cannot successfully defend the territory of its most exposed members,” said a report by the Rand Corp., which led the war gaming research.

In numerous tabletop war games played over several months between 2014-2015, Russian forces were knocking on the doors of the Estonian capital of Tallinn or the Latvian capital of Riga within 36 to 60 hours. U.S. and Baltic troops — and American airpower — proved unable to halt the advance of mechanized Russian units and suffered heavy casualties, the report said.

The study argues that NATO has been caught napping by a resurgent and unpredictable Russia, which has begun to boost defense spending after having seized the Crimean peninsula in Ukraine and intervened in support of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine. In the event of a potential Russian incursion in the Baltics, the United States and its allies lack sufficient troop numbers, or tanks and armored vehicles, to slow the advance of Russian armor, said the report by Rand’s David Shlapak and Michael Johnson.

“Such a rapid defeat would leave NATO with a limited number of options, all bad,” it said.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: baltics; estonia; latvia; nato; obamasfault
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1 posted on 02/03/2016 12:11:55 PM PST by Trumpinator
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To: Trumpinator

Not really news, NATO is essentially twisting in the wind until the the American army arrrives with reinforcements.


2 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:11 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: Trumpinator

was like that when I served too.
Russia back then in the early 90’s could easily have swept across Europe and we were always told this.
Hell half of our vehicles were waiting for spare parts.


3 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:18 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Trumpinator

NATO could not have stopped a Warsaw Pact invasion back in the 60s.

The nukes are the only thing NATO has to really forestall a Soviet invasion of the Baltics.


4 posted on 02/03/2016 12:14:54 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

Oops... Soviet = Russian


5 posted on 02/03/2016 12:15:19 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Shadow44

There are only two countries which could fight back.
UK and us.
Germany though does have a good army and great equipment, but would their elected officials screw things up.
The rest of Europe forget and Turkey please they only joined because Greece was there.


6 posted on 02/03/2016 12:15:55 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: VanDeKoik

Even Jaruzelski confessed that had NATO invaded, Polish troops would have turned on the Soviets.


7 posted on 02/03/2016 12:16:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Trumpinator

Germany can’t be bothered with things like defending their borders and those of their allies. They’re too busy hosting Muslims.


8 posted on 02/03/2016 12:16:14 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Trumpinator

So, what this article is saying is that the status of US Forces, Europe has not really changed in the early 1980s.

If I recall, we were supposed to bottleneck them in the Fulda Gap.

But, I might be a little cloudy on my history.


9 posted on 02/03/2016 12:16:55 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Trumpinator

“NATO” (meaning, Germany) would under no circumstances fight for the Baltic states.

Any “war” there would be over before it began.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 12:17:10 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at all.)
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To: VanDeKoik

And right now the pussnchief wouldn’t use a nuke even if the Russians dropped 300 ICBMs all over the North American continent. We have a dangerous year ahead of us.


11 posted on 02/03/2016 12:19:04 PM PST by sarge83
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To: Trumpinator

But—but, Genmeral Shinseki (sp?) assured us that the tank was obsolete and the wheeled Stryker would be the optimal weapon. Somehow, I think we are short on tanks and short on any thing but up armored Hummers.


12 posted on 02/03/2016 12:21:54 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Trumpinator

Honestly, NATO overextended by moving into the Baltics.


13 posted on 02/03/2016 12:22:47 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Trumpinator

Russia still holds Kaliningrad. They could surround the Baltics in a pincer movement and we’d be cut off from supply lines.


14 posted on 02/03/2016 12:23:57 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cva66snipe; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

Ping


15 posted on 02/03/2016 12:25:41 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling of America's Party for President the only person to restore the Republic)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’ve said that for over 5 years. That’s Putin’s play into the baltic states.... to “protect” soviet citizens.

It’s classic. He’ll “stabilize” the situation.


16 posted on 02/03/2016 12:28:20 PM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Germany can’t be bothered with things like defending their borders and those of their allies. They’re too busy hosting Muslims.

Why bother when the US Congress quadruples its own European defense spending?

17 posted on 02/03/2016 12:28:32 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Trumpinator

I served in Germany 1969-70. My boss was career, and he said the plan if hostilities broke out in Europe, was to hold Germany for a few days, until nukes could be used to even things out.

IOW the USSR was dominant in terms of conventional forces.

The ground troop in Germany during the Cold War, were expendable.

We have but a fraction today, of those Cold War force numbers.


18 posted on 02/03/2016 12:30:36 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Trumpinator

NATO is security theater, its an arm of the new world order.


19 posted on 02/03/2016 12:32:56 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Vermont Lt

That’s what the Davy Crockett was for, until the Pentagon realized how bad of an idea putting nukes and subsequent escalation in the hands of the average lieutenant was.


20 posted on 02/03/2016 12:33:16 PM PST by Shadow44
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