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If Russia Started a War in the Baltics, NATO Would Lose — Quickly
foreignpolicy.com ^ | February 3, 2016 | Dan De Luce

Posted on 02/03/2016 12:11:55 PM PST by Trumpinator

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To: Trumpinator
There is a big difference between Russians in the Baltics and those in the Ukraine.

the ones in the Baltics are not disgruntled enough to call in Russia -- they know what's good for them

81 posted on 03/03/2016 5:37:15 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
you might want to read the Bible and learn that it does not refer to Russia -- i.e. Magog is NOT Russia but Turkey -- Ankara is north of Jerusalem

The reliable, clear and detailed records of Assyrian Royal Court show they dealt directly with each of these nations about 100 years before Ezekiel wrote. These are the same records that are referred to in Ezra 4:15, 19 and 5:17-6:7. These passages tell how the Jews of the fifth century BC 538 BC–457 BC overcame opposition by the local Persian governor to the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem by referring to these same Assyrian cuneiform court records.

The Assyrian Court records show dealings with Magog, Meshech, Tubal, and Togarmah (Ezekiel 38:3-6), the nations that stretched across ancient Asia Minor (modern Turkey) from west to east. From these records we also learn that the ancient nation of Gomer (Ezekiel 38:6), an enemy of the Assyrians invaded Asia Minor by coming down from an area around the northeast shore of the Black Sea. Archeologists know that the militant leader called "Gog" in Ezekiel 38/39 led a confederacy of these nations against invading Gomer.

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Gog is a historical man who the Greeks called Gyges of Lydia. In Gyges of Lydia we have the leader the Assyrians called "Gugu, King of Ludu," and "Gugu of Magugu," who is referred to in the Bible as Gog of Magog. "Magog" simply means "the land of Gog." In Akkadian ma means land, so in Akkadian Ma- gugu means "the land of Gugu," which becomes our Ma-gog. (Just as the Assyrian eponym for the land of the leader called Zamua is rendered as Ma-zamua). Magog is an eponym for the ancient nation of Lydia that was in the westernmost part of Asia Minor. The Assyrians often referred to a new land by the name of the first leader they learned of from this land. The Assyrians dealt with Lydia through Meshech, who were subsequently defeated by Gomer, and thus the Assyrians finally came to deal with Lydia directly. In the prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39 Gog is being used as a "historical type" of the "antichrist" who is prophesied to come during the end times, and Magog is being used as a "historical type" of "the land of the antichrist."

The correct identification of Magog with Lydia and not Scythia is consistent with the ancient texts of the Assyrians, who at various times were either the allies or the foes of the Scythians, but had peaceful dealings with the Lydians, who they also referred to as "Magog." Within academia today, no professional archeologists, historians or serious Bible researchers associate Magog with the Scythians or the Scythians with the Russians. The truth is that modern scholars have unequivocally documented that a group of Scandinavian Viking traders called the Rus began the Russian state during the mid AD 800's, and gave their name to Russia. Therefore there is no historical or factual basis for any connection of Russia to Magog.


82 posted on 03/03/2016 5:44:01 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: Cronos

The Russians who are denied voting rights in the Baltics? Those Russians? Let us see NATO wage a war to deny a native born population their voting rights if Putin wanted to set things alight there.


83 posted on 03/03/2016 6:08:06 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

well, firstly, these are not all ETHNIC Russians — only about 2/3rds are ethnic russians


84 posted on 03/03/2016 10:13:46 AM PST by Cronos (Obama�s dislike of Assad is not based on Assad�s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Mosl)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

BINGO!! I’ve said that is Russia’s excuse to “protect” Russian citizens. Kaliningrad is such an odd little piece of geography.


85 posted on 03/03/2016 2:57:22 PM PST by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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