unfortunately be mocked, ridiculed and rejected by the usual pack of Trump-hating
baboons here on FR.
Posted on 01/23/2016 8:47:03 AM PST by ironman
Let me be clear - I am pro-life. I support that position with exceptions allowed for rape, incest or the life of the mother being at risk. I did not always hold this position, but I had a significant personal experience that brought the precious gift of life into perspective for me. My story is well documented, so I will not retell it here. However, what I will do with the remaining space is express my feelings about life, and the culture of life, as we just marked the 43rd anniversary of Roe v. Wade.
I build things. There is a process involved in building things.......The rules for putting structures together are as strict as are the rules of physics. These rules have stood the test of time and have become the path to putting together structures that endure and are beautiful. America, when it is at its best, follows a set of rules that have worked since our Founding. One of those rules is that we, as Americans, revere life and have done so since our Founders made it the first, and most important, of our "unalienable" rights.
Over time, our culture of life in this country has started sliding toward a culture of death. Perhaps the most significant piece of evidence to support this assertion is that since Roe v. Wade was decided by the Supreme Count 43 years ago, over 50 million Americans never had the chance to enjoy the opportunities offered by this country. They never had the chance to become doctors, musicians, farmers, teachers, husbands, fathers, sons or daughters. They never had the chance to enrich the culture of this nation or to bring their skills, lives, loves or passions into the fabric of this country. They are missing, and they are missed.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
Just making the point that it’s not a black and white issue.
[Just making the point that it’s not a black and white issue.]
GOD - Yes and No, never maybe.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Sorry to take so long...
I understand that you are Catholic, as am I.
At the time of my one and only marriage in 1968, this subject came up... that of saving the baby at the expense of the mother if there was a problem.
I didn’t buy into that then, and I do not to this day. Sorry... I just don’t agree. BTW, most people don’t agree. Even fellow Catholics.
“(1) “Life of the mother.” No law, moral or legal, from Church or State, forbids medical procedures to prevent a pregnant woman’s death, even if those procedures would result in the (unintended) death of the baby she is carrying. This is true even at times and in places where abortion itself is strictly illegal.”
This is not true. When my kids were born in the sixties, The Catholic Church made it very clear that the child should be saved instead of the mother if a choice had to be made.
Did we see the same “The Cider House Rules” movie?
The abortionist turned to drugging himself to deal with what he was doing in that orphanage.
Then you have “Juno,” “Gimme Shelter,” etc. Lots of movies and media touch on the subject.
it was written in strange speak, if you ask me.
Where is creator God mentioned as the giver of life? what is all this about building things, etc?
sounds like the Democrats and Republicans are going to be one big HAPPY FAMILY when you read this article.
They know that TRUMP is really one of them in truth..
Bump to save for article.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush will ask him if he can do it in Spanish. The media won't like his tone.
How the heck would I know if he’s lying, he might be so narcissistic that he believes every contradictory word that comes out of his mouth.
I am appreciative of movies like "Juno" and "Gimme Shelter." They show the true rebel spirit it takes, these days, to "do the hard thing," to go through with an untimely or difficult pregnancy because you acknowledge the baby's right to simply go on living.
Trump got more schooled on the issue.
Does anyone really think Trump or any GOP candidate supports killing babies if they had to witness everything that goes on with abortions.
There was not Planned Parenthood videos back when Trump was just a businessman.
Children are a gift from God. They are God’s creation for a purpose, His purpose. Snuffing out one of God’s own can’t be good. . .no matter what the reason. Children are to be raised in the admonition of the Lord. . .pure and simple. . .to further His Kingdom. Life on earth is but a vapor compared with eternity. The helpless little aborted babies will spend their lives in eternity with their Creator . . .the main thing is that the ill-informed who are having abortions and performing abortions will wake up now before it is too late.
Most conservatives who are prolife adopt the same exceptions.
They were of the opinion that you always try to save both; and that some babies die by chance, but no baby should die by choice.
? I did hear of two cases that might be enlightening to discuss. One was my friend Connie, who while standing on a street-corner was hit by a drunk driver and suffered multiple broken bones from her rib-cage to her kneecaps, plus internal soft organ damage, while she was in early pregnancy. Abortion was recommended for her but she refused it (she is an M.D.) and she did the pregnancy in a body cast (which had to be re-made several times as her abdomen grew) and delivered by C-section. Her daughter Esperanza ("Hope") is now, herself, a doctor.
The other was a case I heard of where the mother was only 11 weeks pregnant with a baby she very much wanted, but was hospitalized with pulmonary hypertension with right heart failure. The doctors thought it was related to a placenta malfunction of some sort (abnormal gas and fluid exchange,abnormal hormonal levels.) Continuing the pregnancy would be dangerous for the woman, but abortion would be dangerous too.
In this case, the Catholic Hospital Ethics Committee approved, not abortion, but a pre-viability early delivery of the baby.
This was controversial at the time but the Ethics people (in consultation with the bishop) finally determined that there was no question of whether the baby would die, there was no chance; and they were only, in effect, moving the doomed baby from one location to another.
In other words, the survival of the baby was impossible; and something that is literally impossible is never morally obligatory. Their obligation was to treat the dying baby in a dignified manner (not to just go in and kill it but to deliver and handle respectfully) and try to stabilize the mother.
In this case, the baby died but the procedure (delivery) did not cause its death. The tiny boy was dying; he would have died whether inside or outside the mother. Delivering him did not kill him it just changed his location; neither environment (intrauterine or extrauterine) could have sustained his life.
That is the key. He died by chance, not by choice.
Ridiculous? I don’t think so. [See tagline.]
What about ectopic pregnancy? I don't know; just askin.'
You were commenting on his writing style which is very consistent with that article compared to his earlier writings.
He’s campaigning. His bluster has him first in the polls. This is not how he conducts business. Read his books.
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