Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
On Ted Cruz's eligibility, if he's the great advocate of the Constitution that he purports to be, I don't see why he doesn't agree to the public release of his immigration and naturalization file. Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, and without that, the only way to legally live and work in the United States is via the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
If it's true that he acquired U.S. citizenship at birth through his mother, then the file would consist of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA). http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html.
If such a document is in fact on file with the Statement Department, then we can at least say that he was a citizen at birth.
But no, that does not close the case. While there's certainly a good argument that "natural born citizen" means "citizen at birth", there are other arguments to the effect that if the purpose of the NBC clause was to prevent a President with divided loyalties, dual citizenship and natural born citizenship would be mutually exclusive categories, and it's not questioned that Cruz was a dual citizen until a bit more than two years ago.
I'd also like to say that for some of us, this issue as it related to Obama and now Cruz is far from just some wacky irrelevant technicality: the basic problem that America faces IMHO is the fact that we have traitors who have infested the highest levels of our government. Maybe not literal traitors actively fighting on the battlefield with our enemies, but traitors in the sense of people who place the interests of non-Americans above the interests of Americans; they don't place our security above our "international obligations", they don't defend our borders, they prioritize the needs of illegal aliens over those of American citizens, they sign international trade deals that decimate American industry, and on and on.
As it happens the Founders of our great nation were also quite concerned about this, having just fought a war for their independence not only against the British Crown, but also against the "Loyalists" who remained loyal to it following the Declaration of Independence. In yet another of their incredibly brilliant and prescient moves in crafting the Constitution, they embedded within it a clause that would (hopefully) ensure that at the highest level of our government, we would exclude those who might have divided loyalties, and even more IMHO, people who in the back of their minds might know that they would always have an "escape hatch" to avoid accountability to the American people by virtue of a latent claim to citizenship in a foreign country.
Yes, ultimately, a socialist traitor can come from anywhere, as can a constitutional conservative, but I don't see anything wrong with maintaining this one small measure of additional insurance against exactly the sort of traitorous, anti-American behavior and ideology that has been the hallmark of the Obama Administration.
So what law do you want to use to define the term “natural born”?
It isn't up to Ted Cruz to prove his citizenship. That's his natural condition, and he and others will attest to it with sworn affidavits. That's the way it works.
You don't believe he's Constitutionally qualified? Don't vote for him. Simple.
I suppose that after thoroughly researching surgical procedures, you would deem yourself competent to perform open heart surgery.
Below is the law regarding birthright/natural born citizenship which was in effect at the time Cruz was born.
If you hold that there are more than two types of citizenship (natural born/birthright and naturalized), please cite from U.S. law what the additional categories of citizenship are and how one would go about obtaining them.
“A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.”
That site does not provide documentary evidence of their assertion that both the mother and father were ever Canadian citizens at the date of birth.
I haven't picked a candidate yet, but I would 100% have defended Obama's qualifications under the same circumstances as long as his mother met the requirements. As I understand it, she was 19 when Obama was born, so she may not have met the after age 14 five year residency requirement. But if she did, no doubt Obama would be a natural born citizen no matter where in the world he was born.
"A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child's birth to transmit U.S. citizenship."
Here’s the birth certificate of Cruz’s mother.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/08/ted-cruz-mother-birth-certificate/
So where is the goal post going to moved to next as this will certainly not satisfy the birther contingent.
So what. Canada permits dual citizenship.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5569183_dual-citizenship-canada.html
If Cruz’s father was a Canadian citizen, then his mother could have applied and been granted it as well. Doesn’t mean she still wasn’t a U.S. citizen.
If it was plain as day, then we wouldn’t need federal courts or the SCOTUS.
We could all just ask MamaTexan.
So you think anchor babies might be NBCs.
Geez.
The same two the Founders spent public money on to use in Congress, since they say basically the same thing-
Journal of the Senate of the United States of America / Monday / March 10, 1794 / Volume 2 / page 44
Ordered, That the Secretary purchase Blackstone's Commentaries, and Vattel's Law of Nature and Nations, for the use of the Senate.
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=002/llsj002.db&recNum=42&itemLink=D?hlaw:13:./temp/~ammem_LF5V::%230020043&linkText=1
The Law of Nations; Or, Principles of the Law of Nature Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, Emmerich De Vattel
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England
Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England; that is, within the ligeance, or, as it is generally called, the allegiance, of the king;
The dominion of the crown is the country within it's jurisdiction, and citizenship is a product of Allegiance, so you can't be born into 'the Allegiance of the King' unless your parents already have theirs.
The only difference between the two is that the Law of Nations/Nature means the States are Sovereign, while English law makes the federal government 'king'.
The power given to the general government in the Constitution was to make a uniform rule of naturalization for the States to follow, NOT determine who is or is not natural-born.
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It's been fun, but I have my doubts any amount of words will change an already made-up mind, so you have a great day.
Believe as you will, but being flippant won’t change facts.
He’s an American citizen. Period.
Stop this nonesense.
The term ‘natural born’ appears nowhere in your cite.
-— So where is the goal post going to moved to next as this will certainly not satisfy the birther contingent. -—
Trump was born first. He won. Don’t deny it.
The only way you could/can get dual citizenship is by birth!
In Canada you can get a permanent residence status but you can’t vote. Canadian citizenship is not easy to come by.
If Cruz’s father was a Canadian citizen, then his mother could have applied and been granted it as well. Doesn’t mean she still wasn’t a U.S. citizen.
Ok, let’s put her citizenship aside for a moment. Go to scribd.com..(Citizenship terms used in the US Constitution, terms defined and legal reference)..Dad did not make the cut, regardless of her pedigree.
If you can read and comprehend the King's English, you're no idiot. :-)
That’s because natural born and citizen at birth are exactly the same thing. I keep asking to be shown sources where more than two categories of citizenship are cited.
Please provide a reputable legal source which lists the following three unique categories of citizenship with their definitions and how they are obtained: 1) natural born, 2) birthright, and 3) naturalized. I am particularly interested in the particulars of 1).
If you provide that, I will admit that I have been wrong about this all along.
Not so. According to this source, you can gain Canadian citizenship through marriage. But it’s a moot point anyhow, because the Cruz family lived in Canada for only three years before Ted was born, and Canada required a minimum of five year’s residency before becoming a citizen. Ted’s mother would not have qualified, but even if she had, she could have kept her U.S. citizenship.
Both the U.S. and Canada allow their citizens to hold dual citizenship with other countries, and therefore it is legal for you to hold a U.S. and Canadian citizenship while residing in either country. To qualify for Canadian citizenship as a U.S. citizen, you must either be the child of a Canadian citizen, a grandchild of a Canadian citizen, or a spouse of a Canadian citizen. The application process and requirements vary for all cases and connections.
Read more : http://www.ehow.com/how_5569183_dual-citizenship-canada.html
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