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On Ted Cruz Eligibility . . .
Vanity | January 8, 2016 | Behind the Blue Wall

Posted on 01/08/2016 9:57:21 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall

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To: MamaTexan

God Bless


181 posted on 01/08/2016 3:10:37 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Fledermaus

He’s an American citizen. Period.

Stop this nonesense.

Candidate for most ignorant statement of the day. Arnold Schwartzenegger is unquestionably an American citizen and he is unquestionably ineligible for the Presidency.


182 posted on 01/08/2016 3:18:14 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Boy, it must be hard going through life stupid.

Cruz is qualified under the Constitution PERIOD! Get over it.


183 posted on 01/08/2016 3:20:28 PM PST by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: Fledermaus

Eh, he might be. Depends on whose definition of natural born citizen you want to use.


184 posted on 01/08/2016 3:22:21 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: randita
OK, my sister was born in Maryland in 1944. She had dual citizenship. When she got older she requested her options from both the US and Canadians governments. The process is simple. If you vote in either a US or Canadian election you effectively choose that country for citizenship and lose the other.
185 posted on 01/08/2016 3:23:24 PM PST by BillM (.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

The stauatory defintion from 1791, 1795, 1940, et al.

Get a life.


186 posted on 01/08/2016 3:23:50 PM PST by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: randita
That's because natural born and citizen at birth are exactly the same thing.

No, if they were the same thing the Founders wouldn't have used the term Natural born as a requirement for Presidential eligibility. They would have used the same term as they did for all of the others - citizen of the United States.

I keep asking to be shown sources where more than two categories of citizenship are cited.

I never said there were more than two.

If your citizenship status has to be determined by a law, you're naturalized, not natural born.

And no, I won't sort through and define anything to your satisfaction. The burden of proof is for you to come up with a law that uses the term 'natural born' since that's what the Constitution requires.

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BTW - Wong Kim Ark, the benchmark derision that supposedly created a 'native' born citizen when someone is born here of foreign parents said-

A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens,..

With few exceptions, being born in a another country means you're born outside the jurisdiction of the United States.

187 posted on 01/08/2016 3:27:37 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Las of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: Fledermaus

Statutes can no more define who is and who is not a natural born citizen then they can define what is or is not an unconstitutional restriction on religious liberty.


188 posted on 01/08/2016 3:44:08 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: AFret.
"“4 years and both had applied for and been granted Canadian citizenship”

Not document is provided nor was a link to said documents.

189 posted on 01/08/2016 4:26:43 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner

“4 years and both had applied for and been granted Canadian citizenship”
Not document is provided nor was a link to said documents.

I don’t have a link. The statement was from Cruz’s father.
go to scribd.com “cruz citizenship timeline”. I wish I could paste..sorry.


190 posted on 01/08/2016 4:40:26 PM PST by AFret.
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To: AFret.
Yeah, I went to the link yesterday.

They make the assertion, plainly.

But then they don't provide any documentary evidence.

And absent that, with the release today of Cruz's mom's BC, this is a closed case.

By US Law he is a US Citizen by birth.

191 posted on 01/08/2016 5:37:01 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Mariner

And absent that, with the release today of Cruz’s mom’s BC, this is a closed case.

By US Law he is a US Citizen by birth.


Correct, the fact that he is a citizen has never been disputed, (I’m somewhat confused about the dust-up over his mother’s BC, she was born in Wilmington and passed citizenship to her son).
The issue is NBC.
Two citizen parents are required..Dad didn’t make the cut.


192 posted on 01/08/2016 6:00:37 PM PST by AFret.
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Yes, he absolutely has to have an immigration file. We know for a fact that he doesn't have a U.S. birth certificate, ...

In 1970 my daughter was born in Schweinfurt, West (at the time) Germany to myself, an American citizen, and her mother, a German citizen (at the time). I immediately went to the American consulate in Munich and had her, my daughter, "made" an American citizen, complete with US passport. One trip to the consulate, and a few bucks, is all it took. Two months later we all came to the US and lived happily (mostly) ever after. No immigration file.

193 posted on 01/08/2016 6:39:05 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Just what is the difference between a "centrist democrat" and a "moderate republican?")
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To: AFret.
The issue is NBC.
Two citizen parents are required..Dad didn't make the cut.

b. obama sr was not a US citizen, and yet b obama jr squats in public housing in Washington DC, on the public payroll.

194 posted on 01/08/2016 6:44:04 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Just what is the difference between a "centrist democrat" and a "moderate republican?")
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To: RobinOfKingston

Two wrongs don’t make a right.


195 posted on 01/08/2016 6:46:05 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: RobinOfKingston

b. obama sr was not a US citizen, and yet b obama jr squats in public housing in Washington DC, on the public payroll.

We all know how that came to pass...don’t we..


196 posted on 01/08/2016 7:16:11 PM PST by AFret.
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To: MamaTexan
If your citizenship status has to be determined by a law, you're naturalized, not natural born.

In order to be considered a "naturalized" citizen, you must have undergone the following. There is no other way to be considered naturalized. If you can produce information that Ted Cruz went through this process, I will concede your point. If he was not a citizen at birth and did not undergo the naturalization process, then he has been illegally serving as a U.S. Senator.

Naturalization Process

In general, the naturalization process includes the following steps:
Determine if you are already a U.S. citizen.
Determine your eligibility to become a U.S. citizen.
Prepare Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Submit Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Go to the biometrics (fingerprinting) appointment, if applicable.
Complete the interview.
Receive a decision from USCIS on your Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Receive a notice to take the Oath of Allegiance.
Take the Oath of Allegiance to the United States.
Understand your rights and responsibilities as a U.S. citizen.

197 posted on 01/08/2016 7:48:57 PM PST by randita
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To: Duchess47
Two wrongs don’t make a right.

I agree. I'm not arguing that it is "right." Just stating the facts. I wish this genie could be squeezed back into the bottle, but that ain't gonna happen.

198 posted on 01/08/2016 7:52:10 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Just what is the difference between a "centrist democrat" and a "moderate republican?")
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To: RobinOfKingston

You don’t think they made a copy of her passport and supporting documentation?


199 posted on 01/08/2016 8:44:24 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: thackney
I will respond to any attempt you make to disseminate your false information regarding the natural born Citizen issue.
200 posted on 01/09/2016 12:55:14 AM PST by Godebert
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